Comments on: Toothpaste and Tubes http://www.mahablog.com/2008/08/27/toothpaste-and-tubes/ Making the World Safe for Liberalism Sat, 20 Mar 2010 18:09:12 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Bananaphone http://www.mahablog.com/2008/08/27/toothpaste-and-tubes/comment-page-1/#comment-546535 Bananaphone Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:09:05 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/?p=2692#comment-546535 A post over at Pandagon highlights exactly what's wrong with PUMA: Ms. Darragh Murphy, who founded PUMA, made one significant donation to McCain's campaign in 2000 (gotta admit, I can't afford to donate $500 to anyone's campaign), but hadn't made any donations to Clinton's campaign. I don't know about the rest of the PUMAs, but I seriously doubt that PUMA's founder ever supported Clinton. http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/pumas_are_swiftboats_darragh_murphy/ A post over at Pandagon highlights exactly what’s wrong with PUMA: Ms. Darragh Murphy, who founded PUMA, made one significant donation to McCain’s campaign in 2000 (gotta admit, I can’t afford to donate $500 to anyone’s campaign), but hadn’t made any donations to Clinton’s campaign.

I don’t know about the rest of the PUMAs, but I seriously doubt that PUMA’s founder ever supported Clinton.

http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/pumas_are_swiftboats_darragh_murphy/

]]> By: s http://www.mahablog.com/2008/08/27/toothpaste-and-tubes/comment-page-1/#comment-546532 s Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:50:33 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/?p=2692#comment-546532 I voted for Clinton (thinks shrub and his cronies have messed things up so bad it will take a woman to fix it), but she isn't in it now and it would be insane for me to say, "Well! Clinton isn't in it, so I am going to change everything I hope for my country and vote for McCain. I am for Obama now! I think the tv peeps just keep spinning out this cr@p. Why don't they tell me facts and let me figure out what is going on since everything they say seems to have a conclusion that I question. Just the other day yahoo had this tease for news saying Clinton got his comeuppanse..? I don't know where they got that lead. The story said he wasn't speaking or something, but why is that a comeuppense? He isn't in the race! I hate the spin on everything every news organization seems to add. I want to know facts. I want to know who is throwing our future in the toilet and how. I want to know who is throwing road blocks in the way of alternative fuels. I want to know who is going to clean up this mess we are in and how and if it will work and why it will or why it won't. Go Obama! I voted for Clinton (thinks shrub and his cronies have messed things up so bad it will take a woman to fix it), but she isn’t in it now and it would be insane for me to say, “Well! Clinton isn’t in it, so I am going to change everything I hope for my country and vote for McCain. I am for Obama now! I think the tv peeps just keep spinning out this cr@p. Why don’t they tell me facts and let me figure out what is going on since everything they say seems to have a conclusion that I question. Just the other day yahoo had this tease for news saying Clinton got his comeuppanse..? I don’t know where they got that lead. The story said he wasn’t speaking or something, but why is that a comeuppense? He isn’t in the race!
I hate the spin on everything every news organization seems to add.
I want to know facts. I want to know who is throwing our future in the toilet and how. I want to know who is throwing road blocks in the way of alternative fuels. I want to know who is going to clean up this mess we are in and how and if it will work
and why it will or why it won’t.

Go Obama!

]]> By: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2008/08/27/toothpaste-and-tubes/comment-page-1/#comment-546527 maha Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:27:47 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/?p=2692#comment-546527 Judy -- can you explain to us what you could possibly have to "review"? Judy — can you explain to us what you could possibly have to “review”?

]]> By: Judy http://www.mahablog.com/2008/08/27/toothpaste-and-tubes/comment-page-1/#comment-546526 Judy Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:29:48 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/?p=2692#comment-546526 Thanks, Iris. A lot of us are reviewing our options for November. Thanks, Iris. A lot of us are reviewing our options for November.

]]> By: joanr16 http://www.mahablog.com/2008/08/27/toothpaste-and-tubes/comment-page-1/#comment-546523 joanr16 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:10:06 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/?p=2692#comment-546523 <i>Sometimes I wonder if these supporters are real Democrats or if they are infiltrators from the RNC.</i> PurpleGirl, I'm beginning to wonder that too. Sometimes I wonder if these supporters are real Democrats or if they are infiltrators from the RNC.

PurpleGirl, I’m beginning to wonder that too.

]]> By: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2008/08/27/toothpaste-and-tubes/comment-page-1/#comment-546522 maha Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:59:46 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/?p=2692#comment-546522 Iris isn't noticing that it's the PUMAs who are disrespecting Senator Clinton (the real one) now. Iris isn’t noticing that it’s the PUMAs who are disrespecting Senator Clinton (the real one) now.

]]> By: No More Mr. Nice Guy! http://www.mahablog.com/2008/08/27/toothpaste-and-tubes/comment-page-1/#comment-546521 No More Mr. Nice Guy! Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:07:53 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/?p=2692#comment-546521 Iris - project much? What did Obama fracture anyway? Clinton created a Frankenstein monster by stoking the fires of gender resentment and victim identity, and she can't just wash her hands of it. She took a first step last night but she needs to pound it into the heads of her supporters, every day from now until Election Day, that no sane woman could possibly vote for McCain, or even stay at home and make it easier for him to win. Personally I think Clinton benefited from a huge amount of indulgence and lattitude from the party leadership, owing to who she is and who her husband is, long after it became clear that she couldn't possibly win, and she could only damage the party. If the positions had been reversed, Obama would have been dragged into a back room and shut down so fast, he'd have whiplash. Iris – project much? What did Obama fracture anyway? Clinton created a Frankenstein monster by stoking the fires of gender resentment and victim identity, and she can’t just wash her hands of it. She took a first step last night but she needs to pound it into the heads of her supporters, every day from now until Election Day, that no sane woman could possibly vote for McCain, or even stay at home and make it easier for him to win.

Personally I think Clinton benefited from a huge amount of indulgence and lattitude from the party leadership, owing to who she is and who her husband is, long after it became clear that she couldn’t possibly win, and she could only damage the party. If the positions had been reversed, Obama would have been dragged into a back room and shut down so fast, he’d have whiplash.

]]> By: maha http://www.mahablog.com/2008/08/27/toothpaste-and-tubes/comment-page-1/#comment-546520 maha Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:05:55 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/?p=2692#comment-546520 <i>Maha, have you considered whether this is true of yourself and other Obama supporters, but in reverse? And that this was and continues to be a source of the reason that Hillary supporters think a good portion of you have gone batshit?</i> Yes, I have considered this, because I am obsessively self-analytical. I perpetually question myself, my assumptions, my feelings. It's a long-standing habit much reinforced by my Zen practice. It's one of the ways I recognize pathologies in others, because I've found them in myself first. I poured much of my self-analysis into a <a href="http://www.mahablog.com/2008/03/03/the-poison-of-certainty/" rel="nofollow">blog post I wrote awhile back</a>. In this post I challenged Hillary Clinton supporters to some equal-time soul searching. I have yet to see any. Certainly there have been many obnoxious Obama supporters who have behaved badly to Clinton supporters, but "many" is not "all." Early on in the Endless Primary I went out of my way to try to be conciliatory to all sides, and what I got for my trouble is hate, smears, and hideous personal attacks from Clinton supporters. I gave up. There has been a lot of ugliness on all sides of this issue. I have yet to see Clinton supporters take responsibility for the ugliness coming from their side. Everything is Obama's fault. And <i>we</i> should be ashamed of ourselves? Get a grip, toots. Maha, have you considered whether this is true of yourself and other Obama supporters, but in reverse? And that this was and continues to be a source of the reason that Hillary supporters think a good portion of you have gone batshit?

Yes, I have considered this, because I am obsessively self-analytical. I perpetually question myself, my assumptions, my feelings. It’s a long-standing habit much reinforced by my Zen practice. It’s one of the ways I recognize pathologies in others, because I’ve found them in myself first.

I poured much of my self-analysis into a blog post I wrote awhile back. In this post I challenged Hillary Clinton supporters to some equal-time soul searching. I have yet to see any.

Certainly there have been many obnoxious Obama supporters who have behaved badly to Clinton supporters, but “many” is not “all.” Early on in the Endless Primary I went out of my way to try to be conciliatory to all sides, and what I got for my trouble is hate, smears, and hideous personal attacks from Clinton supporters. I gave up.

There has been a lot of ugliness on all sides of this issue. I have yet to see Clinton supporters take responsibility for the ugliness coming from their side. Everything is Obama’s fault. And we should be ashamed of ourselves? Get a grip, toots.

]]> By: Iris http://www.mahablog.com/2008/08/27/toothpaste-and-tubes/comment-page-1/#comment-546519 Iris Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:36:55 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/?p=2692#comment-546519 <blockquote>That’s why they’re not listening to the real woman; they’re listening to the play-pretend Hillary who lives in their heads. And since the play-pretend Hillary was created out of their own egos and personal grievances, they aren’t likely to let go of her for a long, long time.</blockquote>Maha, have you considered whether this is true of yourself and other Obama supporters, but in reverse? And that this was and continues to be a source of the reason that Hillary supporters think a good portion of you have gone batshit? Those who nitpick are always going to find something wrong with the best speeches. This was one of the great ones, Hillary managed to remind us of what this election is about -- not Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. Where are all the people that thought for so long that "teh Clintonz" would "do anything" and it was "all about them?" You should all be ashamed of yourselves. As for the PUMA's...that ship may have sailed, and blaming voters is no way to win elections. But Obama has 2 months to give them solid, concrete reasons to vote for him. Not sophistry and name-calling, not insults. Personally I was convinced last night -- I felt like we were a team and Hillary had convinced me to support Obama. Then I woke up today & saw that the Obamasphere either wasn't paying attention or had decided to further criticize this incredible woman for doing her all to unite what Obama fractured. Obama's supporters and surrogates are his worst enemy, because you just can't help themselves and you just can't let go of the CDS.

That’s why they’re not listening to the real woman; they’re listening to the play-pretend Hillary who lives in their heads. And since the play-pretend Hillary was created out of their own egos and personal grievances, they aren’t likely to let go of her for a long, long time.

Maha, have you considered whether this is true of yourself and other Obama supporters, but in reverse? And that this was and continues to be a source of the reason that Hillary supporters think a good portion of you have gone batshit?

Those who nitpick are always going to find something wrong with the best speeches. This was one of the great ones, Hillary managed to remind us of what this election is about — not Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. Where are all the people that thought for so long that “teh Clintonz” would “do anything” and it was “all about them?” You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

As for the PUMA’s…that ship may have sailed, and blaming voters is no way to win elections. But Obama has 2 months to give them solid, concrete reasons to vote for him. Not sophistry and name-calling, not insults.

Personally I was convinced last night — I felt like we were a team and Hillary had convinced me to support Obama. Then I woke up today & saw that the Obamasphere either wasn’t paying attention or had decided to further criticize this incredible woman for doing her all to unite what Obama fractured. Obama’s supporters and surrogates are his worst enemy, because you just can’t help themselves and you just can’t let go of the CDS.

]]> By: bruce http://www.mahablog.com/2008/08/27/toothpaste-and-tubes/comment-page-1/#comment-546518 bruce Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:17:09 +0000 http://www.mahablog.com/?p=2692#comment-546518 I have NEVER bought into the idea that these Clinton die-hards were closet racists, I think Clinton became a compelling candidate in the last month of the campaign...but at this point, and after last night's speech, what other explanation is there for someone who supports the Clinton agenda to have such animosity towards Obama? I have NEVER bought into the idea that these Clinton die-hards were closet racists, I think Clinton became a compelling candidate in the last month of the campaign…but at this point, and after last night’s speech, what other explanation is there for someone who supports the Clinton agenda to have such animosity towards Obama?

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