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		<title>By: dr. luba</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/09/13/thinking-out-loud/comment-page-1/#comment-547378</link>
		<dc:creator>dr. luba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in Michigan, and both campaigns are making up for ignoring us in the primaries.  I think several of the candidates may soon qualify for residency.

I haven&#039;t had the chance to see any of them yet--not in my neighborhood, and too busy with work and family issues at this time.  I do hope to see Obama or Biden speak, though, and to perhaps get a chance to heckle McCain and the Moosekiller.

Lots of ads, too, although I skip through most of them with the DVR.  Life&#039;s too short to watch commercials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in Michigan, and both campaigns are making up for ignoring us in the primaries.  I think several of the candidates may soon qualify for residency.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t had the chance to see any of them yet&#8211;not in my neighborhood, and too busy with work and family issues at this time.  I do hope to see Obama or Biden speak, though, and to perhaps get a chance to heckle McCain and the Moosekiller.</p>
<p>Lots of ads, too, although I skip through most of them with the DVR.  Life&#8217;s too short to watch commercials.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it would be pretty awesome to watch Biden gnaw on Sarah Palin, I know from my own debate experience that whenever there&#039;s a mismatched debate where one team is clearly smarter and more articulate than the other, things start going south when the better team gets cocky and arrogant. There&#039;s an art to handily winning a debate without also making yourself unlikable. 

I&#039;m really psyched for the Obama/McCain debate, though. Obama might want to scale back on the big words and be conscious of his audience, but I think there&#039;s really no contest there otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would be pretty awesome to watch Biden gnaw on Sarah Palin, I know from my own debate experience that whenever there&#8217;s a mismatched debate where one team is clearly smarter and more articulate than the other, things start going south when the better team gets cocky and arrogant. There&#8217;s an art to handily winning a debate without also making yourself unlikable. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m really psyched for the Obama/McCain debate, though. Obama might want to scale back on the big words and be conscious of his audience, but I think there&#8217;s really no contest there otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the Hayward article: &quot;If we implicitly think uncertified citizens are unfit for the highest offices, why do we trust those same citizens to select our highest officers through free elections?&quot;

Answer: Because we expect them, on average, to be smart enough to change a light bulb, and to call an electrician when the house needs to be rewired. 

Uncertified citizens are most certainly eligible to be elected to high office, but they are expected to prove their competence in the campaign. Palin is off to a bad start here.

And that part about comparing Reagan and Palin to Truman? Off the deep end. And he contradicted himself: Truman was a two term senator before he was V.P. I think that counts as &#039;certified.&#039;


From Maha&#039;s article: &quot;But he(Obama) also has to take care not to seem to be showing off his intellect.&quot;

What a sorry, sorry state of affairs, that this is actually true. If he looks too smart Hayward won&#039;t vote for him</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the Hayward article: &#8220;If we implicitly think uncertified citizens are unfit for the highest offices, why do we trust those same citizens to select our highest officers through free elections?&#8221;</p>
<p>Answer: Because we expect them, on average, to be smart enough to change a light bulb, and to call an electrician when the house needs to be rewired. </p>
<p>Uncertified citizens are most certainly eligible to be elected to high office, but they are expected to prove their competence in the campaign. Palin is off to a bad start here.</p>
<p>And that part about comparing Reagan and Palin to Truman? Off the deep end. And he contradicted himself: Truman was a two term senator before he was V.P. I think that counts as &#8216;certified.&#8217;</p>
<p>From Maha&#8217;s article: &#8220;But he(Obama) also has to take care not to seem to be showing off his intellect.&#8221;</p>
<p>What a sorry, sorry state of affairs, that this is actually true. If he looks too smart Hayward won&#8217;t vote for him</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main point about Palin is that she obviously has never given any thought whatsoever to foreign policy or international affairs.  This means she is the proverbial blank slate, ready to be written upon by whatever right-wing fanatic she decides to take her cues from.  

For McCain to foist this petty, small-minded person on the United States at this delicate moment in history is the most despicable act of his career - it borders on treason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main point about Palin is that she obviously has never given any thought whatsoever to foreign policy or international affairs.  This means she is the proverbial blank slate, ready to be written upon by whatever right-wing fanatic she decides to take her cues from.  </p>
<p>For McCain to foist this petty, small-minded person on the United States at this delicate moment in history is the most despicable act of his career &#8211; it borders on treason.</p>
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		<title>By: erinyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>erinyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin may be  a Doof Moonbat, but remember what her base is....
I miss southern California. The last job I did there before moving to Florida was underwater repairs at the Avalon pleasure pier on Catalina Is., Sweet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin may be  a Doof Moonbat, but remember what her base is&#8230;.<br />
I miss southern California. The last job I did there before moving to Florida was underwater repairs at the Avalon pleasure pier on Catalina Is., Sweet!</p>
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		<title>By: moonbat</title>
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		<dc:creator>moonbat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>California here, a gloriously safe blue state, so no campaigning here, unless the candidates come to load up on cash, like an ATM.

Recall that the Kerry-Bush debates repeated the classic trap for Democrats: cerebral Kerry talking policy, and dumb like a fox Bush talking to voters&#039; emotions. McCain is nowhere as skilled a manipulator as Bush is, but the upcoming debates risk reprising this same trap. I read reports (sorry no link) that Obama is going way into too much detail about policy in this phase of the campaign - wrong, wrong, wrong. This chronic problem for the Democrats, and the remedy, is well laid out in Drew Westin&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Political-Brain-Emotion-Deciding-Nation/dp/1586484257/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1221418022&amp;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Political Brain: The Role of Emotion in Deciding the Fate of the Nation&lt;/a&gt;.

I saw a few excerpts of Palins&#039; interview with Gibson, and went to bed that night feeling better than I had in days. Palin is a doof, and should be easy for Biden to take down, even given all the cautions you mentioned. Her fans will never be swayed, but Biden may be able to add a few points to our column. The real question for me is what form the Obama/McCain matchups will look like, and will the public like Obama - beyond those of us who are already committed. We have such bad luck with cerebral guys like Kerry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>California here, a gloriously safe blue state, so no campaigning here, unless the candidates come to load up on cash, like an ATM.</p>
<p>Recall that the Kerry-Bush debates repeated the classic trap for Democrats: cerebral Kerry talking policy, and dumb like a fox Bush talking to voters&#8217; emotions. McCain is nowhere as skilled a manipulator as Bush is, but the upcoming debates risk reprising this same trap. I read reports (sorry no link) that Obama is going way into too much detail about policy in this phase of the campaign &#8211; wrong, wrong, wrong. This chronic problem for the Democrats, and the remedy, is well laid out in Drew Westin&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Political-Brain-Emotion-Deciding-Nation/dp/1586484257/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1221418022&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">The Political Brain: The Role of Emotion in Deciding the Fate of the Nation</a>.</p>
<p>I saw a few excerpts of Palins&#8217; interview with Gibson, and went to bed that night feeling better than I had in days. Palin is a doof, and should be easy for Biden to take down, even given all the cautions you mentioned. Her fans will never be swayed, but Biden may be able to add a few points to our column. The real question for me is what form the Obama/McCain matchups will look like, and will the public like Obama &#8211; beyond those of us who are already committed. We have such bad luck with cerebral guys like Kerry.</p>
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		<title>By: Betty Cracker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betty Cracker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in Florida. Lots of campaign coverage here, and I see many ads from both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in Florida. Lots of campaign coverage here, and I see many ads from both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: felicity</title>
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		<dc:creator>felicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody important once called the public &#039;fickle&#039; and I have to agree.

Nixon&#039;s five-oclock shadow - made him look sinister - against Kennedy&#039;s fresh (heavily made-up) face lost Nixon an important debate, even though content-wise he actually won, and ultimately the election of course.

George senior debating ? takes a quick glance at his watch toward the end and the public gives to the debate to his opponent. (The &#039;glance&#039; apparently indicated to the audience that George wanted to be anywhere other than where he was, translated, he was way out of his league, stupid, unprepared for anything and he knew it.) 

That an election can so easily turn on so little is more than scary.  And as more information comes out about Palin, it&#039;s pretty clear that to elect Palin would be to re-elect Bush - even their personalities are remarkably similar -  and that&#039;s even more scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody important once called the public &#8216;fickle&#8217; and I have to agree.</p>
<p>Nixon&#8217;s five-oclock shadow &#8211; made him look sinister &#8211; against Kennedy&#8217;s fresh (heavily made-up) face lost Nixon an important debate, even though content-wise he actually won, and ultimately the election of course.</p>
<p>George senior debating ? takes a quick glance at his watch toward the end and the public gives to the debate to his opponent. (The &#8216;glance&#8217; apparently indicated to the audience that George wanted to be anywhere other than where he was, translated, he was way out of his league, stupid, unprepared for anything and he knew it.) </p>
<p>That an election can so easily turn on so little is more than scary.  And as more information comes out about Palin, it&#8217;s pretty clear that to elect Palin would be to re-elect Bush &#8211; even their personalities are remarkably similar &#8211;  and that&#8217;s even more scary.</p>
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		<title>By: DoubleCinco</title>
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		<dc:creator>DoubleCinco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The martial arts point you make is so apt.  Intelligent use of leverage instead of brute force--intellectual vs. warrior--Biden vs. Moll--Obama vs. McCain. (If you haven&#039;t ever drooped low enough go listen to Barbie Girl on youtube).

In addition to your excellent piece, two others that are raising a welt on me this weekend are :

Marcellus asks us why we are pissed off about McCain&#039;s lead.
http://marcellus.nfshost.com/?p=155, and

Jamison Fosner is shining a bright light on the MSM that prompts the expression, &quot;screwed, blued and tattooed.  Jamisonhttp://mediamatters.org/items/200809120021?f=h_latest.

I dunno, F-&#039;em and feed &#039;em fisheads.

--break--</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The martial arts point you make is so apt.  Intelligent use of leverage instead of brute force&#8211;intellectual vs. warrior&#8211;Biden vs. Moll&#8211;Obama vs. McCain. (If you haven&#8217;t ever drooped low enough go listen to Barbie Girl on youtube).</p>
<p>In addition to your excellent piece, two others that are raising a welt on me this weekend are :</p>
<p>Marcellus asks us why we are pissed off about McCain&#8217;s lead.<br />
<a href="http://marcellus.nfshost.com/?p=155" rel="nofollow">http://marcellus.nfshost.com/?p=155</a>, and</p>
<p>Jamison Fosner is shining a bright light on the MSM that prompts the expression, &#8220;screwed, blued and tattooed.  Jamisonhttp://mediamatters.org/items/200809120021?f=h_latest.</p>
<p>I dunno, F-&#8217;em and feed &#8216;em fisheads.</p>
<p>&#8211;break&#8211;</p>
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		<title>By: joanr16</title>
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		<dc:creator>joanr16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 22:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in Lincoln, Nebraska.  Red state, sure thing, so no candidates here.  If I could get the Omaha stations, I might see some TV ads targeting voters in eastern Iowa.  To follow what&#039;s happening with the candidates day-to-day, I check in with the McClatchy election coverage.

I do see lots of Obama bumperstickers and yard signs here.  So far I&#039;ve seen one McCain bumpersticker, and maybe three yard signs.  The last time they leaned Democratic was in 1992.

The Gore-Quayle VP debate in 1992 was another indicator; the next morning, I heard several people say it convinced them to vote for Clinton.  Let&#039;s hope Biden and Palin are asked intelligent, serious questions in their debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in Lincoln, Nebraska.  Red state, sure thing, so no candidates here.  If I could get the Omaha stations, I might see some TV ads targeting voters in eastern Iowa.  To follow what&#8217;s happening with the candidates day-to-day, I check in with the McClatchy election coverage.</p>
<p>I do see lots of Obama bumperstickers and yard signs here.  So far I&#8217;ve seen one McCain bumpersticker, and maybe three yard signs.  The last time they leaned Democratic was in 1992.</p>
<p>The Gore-Quayle VP debate in 1992 was another indicator; the next morning, I heard several people say it convinced them to vote for Clinton.  Let&#8217;s hope Biden and Palin are asked intelligent, serious questions in their debate.</p>
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