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		<title>By: felicity</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/10/06/serious-2/comment-page-1/#comment-548188</link>
		<dc:creator>felicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7 - s.  It doesn&#039;t have a catchy ring to it but &#039;totalitarian&#039; is to the point.  Repubs would prefer to live in a country where everyone is a Repub, government is Repub, there is one political party, Republican.  That&#039;s one of the first steps toward establishing a totalitarian state.

#6 Radio/Clash.  Some people are long-winded.  I&#039;m short-winded.  Liberals have to stop calling themselves Progressives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#7 &#8211; s.  It doesn&#8217;t have a catchy ring to it but &#8216;totalitarian&#8217; is to the point.  Repubs would prefer to live in a country where everyone is a Repub, government is Repub, there is one political party, Republican.  That&#8217;s one of the first steps toward establishing a totalitarian state.</p>
<p>#6 Radio/Clash.  Some people are long-winded.  I&#8217;m short-winded.  Liberals have to stop calling themselves Progressives.</p>
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		<title>By: s</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/10/06/serious-2/comment-page-1/#comment-548178</link>
		<dc:creator>s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone else think it is laughable that McPain would bring up Ayes when Obama was 8, knowing that McPain has the Keating 5 when he was old enough to know better?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone else think it is laughable that McPain would bring up Ayes when Obama was 8, knowing that McPain has the Keating 5 when he was old enough to know better?</p>
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		<title>By: s</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1 Felicity, maybe we can embrace the term liberal and just say we would rather be liberal than ______ hmmm we need to think of a good phrase for a bunch of nuts that have damaged out country in every way for quite a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 Felicity, maybe we can embrace the term liberal and just say we would rather be liberal than ______ hmmm we need to think of a good phrase for a bunch of nuts that have damaged out country in every way for quite a while.</p>
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		<title>By: RadioClash</title>
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		<dc:creator>RadioClash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Liberals have to drop Progressives.&quot;

Excuse me??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Liberals have to drop Progressives.&#8221;</p>
<p>Excuse me??</p>
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		<title>By: Swami</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/10/06/serious-2/comment-page-1/#comment-548175</link>
		<dc:creator>Swami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an oldie but goodie.... 

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1989-11-29/news/mccain-the-most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five/1

I think as more seniors watch their retirement dreams go down the toilet as a direct result of deregulation championed by the maverick deregulator...John McCain...they&#039;re gonna remember that come election time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an oldie but goodie&#8230;. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1989-11-29/news/mccain-the-most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five/1" rel="nofollow">http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1989-11-29/news/mccain-the-most-reprehensible-of-the-keating-five/1</a></p>
<p>I think as more seniors watch their retirement dreams go down the toilet as a direct result of deregulation championed by the maverick deregulator&#8230;John McCain&#8230;they&#8217;re gonna remember that come election time.</p>
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		<title>By: erinyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>erinyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moonbat,
Some years ago I figured out that those &quot;seminars&quot; people were talking about were indeed &quot;Sales Pitches&#039;. I believe seminars are supposed to be educational gatherings.
 What passes for debates now days are really &quot;presentations&#039;. It has been said that Orwell missed by about 20 years, I agree.
We are now blessed with &quot;free speech zones&quot;, usurous credit card rates while the prime rate is at rock bottom,military occupations called wars, something not very patriotic known as &quot;the patriot act&quot;
Our politicians avoid the &quot;R&quot; word while we are careening toward the &quot;D&quot; word (depression).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moonbat,<br />
Some years ago I figured out that those &#8220;seminars&#8221; people were talking about were indeed &#8220;Sales Pitches&#8217;. I believe seminars are supposed to be educational gatherings.<br />
 What passes for debates now days are really &#8220;presentations&#8217;. It has been said that Orwell missed by about 20 years, I agree.<br />
We are now blessed with &#8220;free speech zones&#8221;, usurous credit card rates while the prime rate is at rock bottom,military occupations called wars, something not very patriotic known as &#8220;the patriot act&#8221;<br />
Our politicians avoid the &#8220;R&#8221; word while we are careening toward the &#8220;D&#8221; word (depression).</p>
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		<title>By: D.R. Marvel</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/10/06/serious-2/comment-page-1/#comment-548165</link>
		<dc:creator>D.R. Marvel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maha se: markets in Europe are: falling hard&quot;...

 And on today&#039;s opening, the Dow &quot;Dropped like shit from a sick ox&quot;, as my Daddy used to say...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maha se: markets in Europe are: falling hard&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p> And on today&#8217;s opening, the Dow &#8220;Dropped like shit from a sick ox&#8221;, as my Daddy used to say&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: moonbat</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your Titanic simile is apt, with the Dow going down, down, down. (Did you see the movie on cable over the weekend? I did.) I expect Barack Obama to put McCain and this petty stuff in its place during this week&#039;s debate. Let&#039;s hope so, that it isn&#039;t a rehash of familiar attack points and rebuttals - from both sides - heard during both of the last two debates.

Prior to the first debate, one of the pundits (on CNN) enthused about the debate he witnessed in France last year between Sarkozy and his opponent. The two opponents faced each other at a table, with the moderator seated between them. The moderator introduced them, explained the rules of engagement, and mostly wasn&#039;t heard from again. The two opponents exchanged points and counter points for two hours. I&#039;m guessing this is a modern day version of the Lincoln-Douglas debates. Why can&#039;t we have that, really getting into the issues, the two leaders actually discussing things, instead of this superficial crap that passes for debates here?

This is the one time that two political worldviews actually touch each other, in front of millions of people, but because of the debating rules both parties agree to, the quality of the discussion is severely limited. This is a rare and gigantic opportunity to begin to heal the red + blue rift that&#039;s destroying this country, and it&#039;s squandered. There isn&#039;t much hope for us as a nation if we cannot seriously talk with each other in a meaningful way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your Titanic simile is apt, with the Dow going down, down, down. (Did you see the movie on cable over the weekend? I did.) I expect Barack Obama to put McCain and this petty stuff in its place during this week&#8217;s debate. Let&#8217;s hope so, that it isn&#8217;t a rehash of familiar attack points and rebuttals &#8211; from both sides &#8211; heard during both of the last two debates.</p>
<p>Prior to the first debate, one of the pundits (on CNN) enthused about the debate he witnessed in France last year between Sarkozy and his opponent. The two opponents faced each other at a table, with the moderator seated between them. The moderator introduced them, explained the rules of engagement, and mostly wasn&#8217;t heard from again. The two opponents exchanged points and counter points for two hours. I&#8217;m guessing this is a modern day version of the Lincoln-Douglas debates. Why can&#8217;t we have that, really getting into the issues, the two leaders actually discussing things, instead of this superficial crap that passes for debates here?</p>
<p>This is the one time that two political worldviews actually touch each other, in front of millions of people, but because of the debating rules both parties agree to, the quality of the discussion is severely limited. This is a rare and gigantic opportunity to begin to heal the red + blue rift that&#8217;s destroying this country, and it&#8217;s squandered. There isn&#8217;t much hope for us as a nation if we cannot seriously talk with each other in a meaningful way.</p>
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		<title>By: felicity</title>
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		<dc:creator>felicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanx, maja, for that link.  

I have a pet peeve pertinent now because we can expect the tag &#039;liberal&#039; to be filling any rightwing space available from now to election day.  Liberals have to drop Progressives.  Liberals are those who believe in fairness, equity and individual rights.  (I have no idea what Progressives believe.)  We should be shouting I&#039;m a Liberal, not apologizing for it - and certainly not replacing it with the non-definable Progressive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanx, maja, for that link.  </p>
<p>I have a pet peeve pertinent now because we can expect the tag &#8216;liberal&#8217; to be filling any rightwing space available from now to election day.  Liberals have to drop Progressives.  Liberals are those who believe in fairness, equity and individual rights.  (I have no idea what Progressives believe.)  We should be shouting I&#8217;m a Liberal, not apologizing for it &#8211; and certainly not replacing it with the non-definable Progressive.</p>
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