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		<title>By: moonbat</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/11/05/what-the-referendums-tell-us/comment-page-1/#comment-549303</link>
		<dc:creator>moonbat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 01:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing about Prop 8 (prop &quot;Hate&quot;), is that time is definitely on our side. Broken out by age, the youngest voters voted No on Eight by a huge margin, especially compared to older voters. It will be overturned in time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about Prop 8 (prop &#8220;Hate&#8221;), is that time is definitely on our side. Broken out by age, the youngest voters voted No on Eight by a huge margin, especially compared to older voters. It will be overturned in time.</p>
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		<title>By: paradoctor</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/11/05/what-the-referendums-tell-us/comment-page-1/#comment-549289</link>
		<dc:creator>paradoctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America&#039;s pro-gun and pro-abortion. That&#039;s our nation, folks, cope with it.

It&#039;s a pity about Proposition 8. What now? Lots of lawsuits involving the gays already married; lots of plane flights to Massachusetts and Connecticut; and another proposition in two years, repackaging gay marriage as &#039;civil unions&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America&#8217;s pro-gun and pro-abortion. That&#8217;s our nation, folks, cope with it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pity about Proposition 8. What now? Lots of lawsuits involving the gays already married; lots of plane flights to Massachusetts and Connecticut; and another proposition in two years, repackaging gay marriage as &#8216;civil unions&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: moonbat</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/11/05/what-the-referendums-tell-us/comment-page-1/#comment-549286</link>
		<dc:creator>moonbat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This argument has a momentum to it, that I think is building. I was encouraged the few times I heard Obama talk about how pro-life and pro-choice people really have something in common: minimizing abortions. He didn&#039;t go into depth with this, and he said this to illustrate his approach to problems. But he opened a fresh way to talk about abortion that&#039;s been lacking for years if not decades. 

I expect there&#039;s going to be more of this. I expect that not only will more people begin to be persuaded by the kinds of data you show here, but that there&#039;s going to be a bipartisan effort to move the country past this debate. There will always be the fringe extremists, but if we and Obama are successful, that fringe is going to be pushed more and more out of the spotlight, so that the pragmatists can solve this thing and move the country forward.

And I will say that there is a generational thing going on here. The old time religionists - the Falwells and the Dobsons - are dying off. The younger generation - epitomized by Obama - are much more practical and less dogmatic (and it&#039;s about time).

Finally, there are a lot bigger issues than abortion coming up. Destroying the planet&#039;s ecosystems by global warming and other devastations will make abortion pale in importance. The human race is going to have to grow up a lot more quickly, and we will look back on these particular fetishes that dominated our era and our energy as trivial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This argument has a momentum to it, that I think is building. I was encouraged the few times I heard Obama talk about how pro-life and pro-choice people really have something in common: minimizing abortions. He didn&#8217;t go into depth with this, and he said this to illustrate his approach to problems. But he opened a fresh way to talk about abortion that&#8217;s been lacking for years if not decades. </p>
<p>I expect there&#8217;s going to be more of this. I expect that not only will more people begin to be persuaded by the kinds of data you show here, but that there&#8217;s going to be a bipartisan effort to move the country past this debate. There will always be the fringe extremists, but if we and Obama are successful, that fringe is going to be pushed more and more out of the spotlight, so that the pragmatists can solve this thing and move the country forward.</p>
<p>And I will say that there is a generational thing going on here. The old time religionists &#8211; the Falwells and the Dobsons &#8211; are dying off. The younger generation &#8211; epitomized by Obama &#8211; are much more practical and less dogmatic (and it&#8217;s about time).</p>
<p>Finally, there are a lot bigger issues than abortion coming up. Destroying the planet&#8217;s ecosystems by global warming and other devastations will make abortion pale in importance. The human race is going to have to grow up a lot more quickly, and we will look back on these particular fetishes that dominated our era and our energy as trivial.</p>
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		<title>By: joanr16</title>
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		<dc:creator>joanr16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize for going OT here, but to borrow a phrase from the green tentacled alien Kang (or was it Kodos?): &lt;i&gt;Holy flurking shnit!&lt;/i&gt;  Did we ever dodge a bullet!  Check out the last word on Palin&#039;s crazy:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/palin-once-greeted-mccain_n_141394.html

Feed her to the polar bears!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize for going OT here, but to borrow a phrase from the green tentacled alien Kang (or was it Kodos?): <i>Holy flurking shnit!</i>  Did we ever dodge a bullet!  Check out the last word on Palin&#8217;s crazy:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/palin-once-greeted-mccain_n_141394.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/05/palin-once-greeted-mccain_n_141394.html</a></p>
<p>Feed her to the polar bears!</p>
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		<title>By: A. Nony. Maus</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/11/05/what-the-referendums-tell-us/comment-page-1/#comment-549282</link>
		<dc:creator>A. Nony. Maus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess same sex marriage will be the next great civil rights movement of our times. I give it 10 years until the nation gets its shit together and gays get their rights at last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess same sex marriage will be the next great civil rights movement of our times. I give it 10 years until the nation gets its shit together and gays get their rights at last.</p>
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		<title>By: joanr16</title>
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		<dc:creator>joanr16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The economy trumps all: war, racism, sexism, climate change, religious obsessions.  The Fetus People have been all but ignored for some time now.

Sadly, the homophobes... not so much.  Even Obama says he doesn&#039;t support the right of gay people to marry.  Minds like his need to change first.  Maybe in his second term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The economy trumps all: war, racism, sexism, climate change, religious obsessions.  The Fetus People have been all but ignored for some time now.</p>
<p>Sadly, the homophobes&#8230; not so much.  Even Obama says he doesn&#8217;t support the right of gay people to marry.  Minds like his need to change first.  Maybe in his second term.</p>
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		<title>By: A Canadian Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Canadian Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what I wrote to the creator of Moms4SarahPalin, a wing-nut, totally anti-choice blog if there ever was one:

Dear Tami,

    I am so glad that you represent the fringe right-wing of American politics and that your politics of fear and hatred have lost.

    I can only hope that the Republican party gets back to its true roots and that it once again becomes the party of Lincoln and Eisenhower.

    In the meantime, I think that President-elect Obama has the determination, the intelligence and the fair-mindedness to take on the huge challenges and problems that George Bush and the radical right have left your country to deal with.

    I was extremely impressed with Sen. McCain&#039;s concession speech. My husband and I both remarked that if the man who spoke last night (the &quot;real&quot; McCain?) had been running against Obama, things might have turned out differently. But in pandering to the radical right-wing of the party, he lost both his soul and the election.

    I feel great relief this morning and wish the US well as this new era dawns. Perhaps you too will come out of the darkness one day and participate in building America back into the beacon of hope and justice that it once was. Miracles do happen.

I was probably too polite, but hey, it&#039;s here site. BTW, I don&#039;t think she&#039;ll publish my comment.

And now my comment to Maha and her readers:

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what I wrote to the creator of Moms4SarahPalin, a wing-nut, totally anti-choice blog if there ever was one:</p>
<p>Dear Tami,</p>
<p>    I am so glad that you represent the fringe right-wing of American politics and that your politics of fear and hatred have lost.</p>
<p>    I can only hope that the Republican party gets back to its true roots and that it once again becomes the party of Lincoln and Eisenhower.</p>
<p>    In the meantime, I think that President-elect Obama has the determination, the intelligence and the fair-mindedness to take on the huge challenges and problems that George Bush and the radical right have left your country to deal with.</p>
<p>    I was extremely impressed with Sen. McCain&#8217;s concession speech. My husband and I both remarked that if the man who spoke last night (the &#8220;real&#8221; McCain?) had been running against Obama, things might have turned out differently. But in pandering to the radical right-wing of the party, he lost both his soul and the election.</p>
<p>    I feel great relief this morning and wish the US well as this new era dawns. Perhaps you too will come out of the darkness one day and participate in building America back into the beacon of hope and justice that it once was. Miracles do happen.</p>
<p>I was probably too polite, but hey, it&#8217;s here site. BTW, I don&#8217;t think she&#8217;ll publish my comment.</p>
<p>And now my comment to Maha and her readers:</p>
<p>CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!</p>
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