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		<title>By: Pat Pattillo</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2008/12/10/nixonfrostbush/comment-page-1/#comment-550305</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Pattillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 21:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush can&#039;t be unaware of the widepread revulsion the vast majority have for him. His own Methodist Church denied him the use of Southern Methodist University to house his presidential library.

In the past he&#039;s sublimated any honest assessment of public opinion which has at times fueled his own resentment acted out in a variety of destructive and even self-destructive ways.

We&#039;ve seen strains of cultural resentment that arose from the Vietnam war passed down generation to generation by those who apparently feel intense personal shame  regarding anything less than complete and total victory and equally complete destruction of anyone deemed the enemy.

It is significant that the 26% of the electorate still approving of Bush is the approximate % that psychologists estimate  authoritarian followers to exist in populations of any given culture.

I would not expect any of the effects being discussed here to disappear nor would I expect that 51% will not occasionally fall in line with the 26%, particularly during times of duress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush can&#8217;t be unaware of the widepread revulsion the vast majority have for him. His own Methodist Church denied him the use of Southern Methodist University to house his presidential library.</p>
<p>In the past he&#8217;s sublimated any honest assessment of public opinion which has at times fueled his own resentment acted out in a variety of destructive and even self-destructive ways.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve seen strains of cultural resentment that arose from the Vietnam war passed down generation to generation by those who apparently feel intense personal shame  regarding anything less than complete and total victory and equally complete destruction of anyone deemed the enemy.</p>
<p>It is significant that the 26% of the electorate still approving of Bush is the approximate % that psychologists estimate  authoritarian followers to exist in populations of any given culture.</p>
<p>I would not expect any of the effects being discussed here to disappear nor would I expect that 51% will not occasionally fall in line with the 26%, particularly during times of duress.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Sheridan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Sheridan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure many others have had this insight before I did, but it struck me years ago that the inability to admit error was a defining characteristic of modern-day conservatism and conservatives. Not that all of us on the other side of the spectrum are anywhere close to perfect in that regard, but I&#039;d have thought the sheer weight of failed conservative doctrine and history (supply-side economics, WMDs in Iraq, and Vietnam revisionism to name a few) would have broken the backs of the sturdiest conservative partisans.  Or at least, I&#039;d have thought that were there not even now an amazingly large portion of the electorate that still approves of Pres. Bush--something like 26%, I understand.  

It is my opinion that Bush&#039;s biggest appeal in 2000 was not that he was the &quot;guy you&#039;d rather have a beer with,&quot; but that many voters sensed that there was no chance he would ever do or say anything that would challenge their beliefs--that, in fact, he would stubbornly affirm the sky was green to the bitter end. I don&#039;t intend this as a blanket indictment; certainly it&#039;s possible to name some intelligent, thoughtful conservatives in the public sphere.  However, it generally takes a few minutes of thought to come up with the names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure many others have had this insight before I did, but it struck me years ago that the inability to admit error was a defining characteristic of modern-day conservatism and conservatives. Not that all of us on the other side of the spectrum are anywhere close to perfect in that regard, but I&#8217;d have thought the sheer weight of failed conservative doctrine and history (supply-side economics, WMDs in Iraq, and Vietnam revisionism to name a few) would have broken the backs of the sturdiest conservative partisans.  Or at least, I&#8217;d have thought that were there not even now an amazingly large portion of the electorate that still approves of Pres. Bush&#8211;something like 26%, I understand.  </p>
<p>It is my opinion that Bush&#8217;s biggest appeal in 2000 was not that he was the &#8220;guy you&#8217;d rather have a beer with,&#8221; but that many voters sensed that there was no chance he would ever do or say anything that would challenge their beliefs&#8211;that, in fact, he would stubbornly affirm the sky was green to the bitter end. I don&#8217;t intend this as a blanket indictment; certainly it&#8217;s possible to name some intelligent, thoughtful conservatives in the public sphere.  However, it generally takes a few minutes of thought to come up with the names.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well if we&#039;re making predictions about Bush&#039;s post-Presidency days: He will follow in his great... grand uncle Franklin Pierce&#039;s footsteps and drink himself to death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if we&#8217;re making predictions about Bush&#8217;s post-Presidency days: He will follow in his great&#8230; grand uncle Franklin Pierce&#8217;s footsteps and drink himself to death.</p>
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		<title>By: PurpleGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>PurpleGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maha, I expect that money will found for a Freedom Institute. There are lot of rich people who would fund it -- think Richard Mellon Scaife and other likes him, the folks who fund the Heritage Foundation, etc. Even with the economic crises we&#039;re in, they have the kind of money to fund it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maha, I expect that money will found for a Freedom Institute. There are lot of rich people who would fund it &#8212; think Richard Mellon Scaife and other likes him, the folks who fund the Heritage Foundation, etc. Even with the economic crises we&#8217;re in, they have the kind of money to fund it.</p>
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		<title>By: s</title>
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		<dc:creator>s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#19  Give up Stella.  They can get a big enough house that they can come to the same room when the girls are visiting and the rest of the time they can have their peace with no headlines and rarely even see each other.

Best to put your hopes on something more likely.

Goooo Obama!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19  Give up Stella.  They can get a big enough house that they can come to the same room when the girls are visiting and the rest of the time they can have their peace with no headlines and rarely even see each other.</p>
<p>Best to put your hopes on something more likely.</p>
<p>Goooo Obama!</p>
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		<title>By: Stella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite part of Nixon&#039;s post-WH days was when his application for residency in a NYC condominium was rejected.  Now we get to see a &quot;rich white folks only&quot; Dallas neighborhood welcome george with open arms.

I&#039;m putting my hopes on Laura rejecting this worm at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite part of Nixon&#8217;s post-WH days was when his application for residency in a NYC condominium was rejected.  Now we get to see a &#8220;rich white folks only&#8221; Dallas neighborhood welcome george with open arms.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m putting my hopes on Laura rejecting this worm at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: joanr16</title>
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		<dc:creator>joanr16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As I recall from those days, David Frost was kind of a pompous ass. He was really no better than Merv Griffin or Mike Douglas, who at least were fun to watch (Douglas especially).&lt;/i&gt;

My recollection as well. If you wanted smart, you watched Dick Cavett.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As I recall from those days, David Frost was kind of a pompous ass. He was really no better than Merv Griffin or Mike Douglas, who at least were fun to watch (Douglas especially).</i></p>
<p>My recollection as well. If you wanted smart, you watched Dick Cavett.</p>
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		<title>By: btchakir</title>
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		<dc:creator>btchakir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we can put Blogojevich aside for a moment, how is Obama doing? 

The Wall Street Journal is &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122894997230096117.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;running a poll&lt;/a&gt; this morning that says Obama is picking up support from a wide range of people, including mnay former McCain supporters.
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Overall, a majority of Americans are confident in Mr. Obama&#039;s ability to govern and unify the country, with many who didn&#039;t vote for him now seeing him in a positive light. The poll found that 73% of adults approve of the way he is handling the transition and his preparations for becoming president.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Apparently, there is more unity behind Obama than there was behind Clinton in 1992 or Bush in 2000.

Of course, those surveyed also agree that Obama faces bigger problems than either of the former two presidents and his actions will be watched with close scrutiny.

The article continues:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Similarly, three of four say he has struck the right balance over how involved he should be in making policy before taking office. Two-thirds say they are generally pleased with the people he has appointed.

The mood will give Mr. Obama a longer-than-typical honeymoon, predicted Peter D. Hart, a Democratic pollster who conducts the survey with Republican Bill McInturff.

&quot;All these expectations are sort of sky high prior to his inauguration,&quot; Mr. Hart said. &quot;From that vantage point, he has a very long leash.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Realize that over half of those polled feel that 2008 has been the worst year in our recent economic history and this effects the support that is being given Obama by 3 out of 4 Americans.

And how did the survey respondents feel about Bush?&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The survey also offers a final report card on Mr. Bush, who leaves office with near-record-low popularity. Just 18% say they are going to miss him when he is gone, half the number Mr. Clinton recorded on his way out of office. Asked to compare Mr. Bush with the past several presidents, half of those surveyed said he will go down as worse than most.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;I wonder if those who will miss him fall into the range of the top 1% of our economic population. My guess is that they are the ones who would like the last eight years to continue forever.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://underthelobsterscope.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Under The LobsterScope&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we can put Blogojevich aside for a moment, how is Obama doing? </p>
<p>The Wall Street Journal is <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122894997230096117.html" rel="nofollow">running a poll</a> this morning that says Obama is picking up support from a wide range of people, including mnay former McCain supporters.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>Overall, a majority of Americans are confident in Mr. Obama&#8217;s ability to govern and unify the country, with many who didn&#8217;t vote for him now seeing him in a positive light. The poll found that 73% of adults approve of the way he is handling the transition and his preparations for becoming president.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Apparently, there is more unity behind Obama than there was behind Clinton in 1992 or Bush in 2000.</p>
<p>Of course, those surveyed also agree that Obama faces bigger problems than either of the former two presidents and his actions will be watched with close scrutiny.</p>
<p>The article continues:<br />
<blockquote><i>Similarly, three of four say he has struck the right balance over how involved he should be in making policy before taking office. Two-thirds say they are generally pleased with the people he has appointed.</p>
<p>The mood will give Mr. Obama a longer-than-typical honeymoon, predicted Peter D. Hart, a Democratic pollster who conducts the survey with Republican Bill McInturff.</p>
<p>&#8220;All these expectations are sort of sky high prior to his inauguration,&#8221; Mr. Hart said. &#8220;From that vantage point, he has a very long leash.&#8221;</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Realize that over half of those polled feel that 2008 has been the worst year in our recent economic history and this effects the support that is being given Obama by 3 out of 4 Americans.</p>
<p>And how did the survey respondents feel about Bush?<br />
<blockquote><i>The survey also offers a final report card on Mr. Bush, who leaves office with near-record-low popularity. Just 18% say they are going to miss him when he is gone, half the number Mr. Clinton recorded on his way out of office. Asked to compare Mr. Bush with the past several presidents, half of those surveyed said he will go down as worse than most.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>I wonder if those who will miss him fall into the range of the top 1% of our economic population. My guess is that they are the ones who would like the last eight years to continue forever.</p>
<p><a href="http://underthelobsterscope.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Under The LobsterScope</a></p>
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		<title>By: Swami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not lose sight of the fact that Bush &quot;liberated&quot; 50 million people.. by numbers alone, that makes Lincoln look like a piker.


Oh, he also liberated 4200+ Americans from the burden of living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not lose sight of the fact that Bush &#8220;liberated&#8221; 50 million people.. by numbers alone, that makes Lincoln look like a piker.</p>
<p>Oh, he also liberated 4200+ Americans from the burden of living.</p>
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		<title>By: QrazyQat</title>
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		<dc:creator>QrazyQat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ezra&#039;s statement, not yours, Maha.  I should&#039;ve made that clear in my comment.  Sorry if I confused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ezra&#8217;s statement, not yours, Maha.  I should&#8217;ve made that clear in my comment.  Sorry if I confused.</p>
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