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		<title>By: pat mallory</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2009/04/25/devolved/comment-page-1/#comment-618925</link>
		<dc:creator>pat mallory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- And don&#039;t forget that each Friday morning on NPR, we have to suffer from the round table of &quot;journalists&quot; on the Diane Ream show where wing-nuts like Tony Blankley from the (moonie) Washington Times dominate the dialog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- And don&#8217;t forget that each Friday morning on NPR, we have to suffer from the round table of &#8220;journalists&#8221; on the Diane Ream show where wing-nuts like Tony Blankley from the (moonie) Washington Times dominate the dialog.</p>
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		<title>By: erinyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>erinyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Swami, if you REALLY want to get a chucklle or two, watch Glen Beck with the sound off; the dude is a total spaz!

I joined the &quot;Church&quot; of George Carlin several years ago, his many youtube epistles &#039;splains it all..............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Swami, if you REALLY want to get a chucklle or two, watch Glen Beck with the sound off; the dude is a total spaz!</p>
<p>I joined the &#8220;Church&#8221; of George Carlin several years ago, his many youtube epistles &#8217;splains it all&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: bill bush</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2009/04/25/devolved/comment-page-1/#comment-618894</link>
		<dc:creator>bill bush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 02:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They won&#039;t starve: they still have the spork!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They won&#8217;t starve: they still have the spork!</p>
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		<title>By: biggerbox</title>
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		<dc:creator>biggerbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alongside the trend toward anti-intellectualism in the conservative movement has been the trend away for what I think of as &quot;true&quot; conservatism toward the modern radical movement that bears the name. The modern movement is much more authoritarian. Whereas I recall Buckley and Goldwater having a strong streak of individual independence, the modern movement wants to fall in line. Being a good follower of authoritarian rule means letting your own intellectual abilities atrophy - you&#039;ll be told what to think, and you don&#039;t want your own pesky reasoning abilities to get in the way of believing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alongside the trend toward anti-intellectualism in the conservative movement has been the trend away for what I think of as &#8220;true&#8221; conservatism toward the modern radical movement that bears the name. The modern movement is much more authoritarian. Whereas I recall Buckley and Goldwater having a strong streak of individual independence, the modern movement wants to fall in line. Being a good follower of authoritarian rule means letting your own intellectual abilities atrophy &#8211; you&#8217;ll be told what to think, and you don&#8217;t want your own pesky reasoning abilities to get in the way of believing it.</p>
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		<title>By: buckyblue</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2009/04/25/devolved/comment-page-1/#comment-618882</link>
		<dc:creator>buckyblue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristol, Beck, Limbaugh et al. are propagandists. I don&#039;t watch enough MSNBC to know if it&#039;s propaganda on the left but my natural affinity for the left is in part because they (we) seem to be much more intellectually honest. Lord forbid if you deviate from the republican talking points, because then you are a traitor. I think that not one House Republican voted for the bail out is all you need to know how conformity is enforced. Those House members no longer represent their districts, but the interests of the party. That&#039;s fascist in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristol, Beck, Limbaugh et al. are propagandists. I don&#8217;t watch enough MSNBC to know if it&#8217;s propaganda on the left but my natural affinity for the left is in part because they (we) seem to be much more intellectually honest. Lord forbid if you deviate from the republican talking points, because then you are a traitor. I think that not one House Republican voted for the bail out is all you need to know how conformity is enforced. Those House members no longer represent their districts, but the interests of the party. That&#8217;s fascist in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2009/04/25/devolved/comment-page-1/#comment-618881</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I purchased Wrecking Crew some time ago and promptly discovered John D McDonald and went on a fiction binge so it&#039;s gathering dust. Now I&#039;ve been motivated to start. ...did read What&#039;s the Matter with Kansas thugh...

Someone once said &quot;Know your enemy&quot; (Lao Tzu?) and everything we witness elevation of some lamentably stupid wingnut pundit many wonder about their constituency, even supposing that it must be more widespread than it really is.

The support of Kristol with such an award, financing of tea parties and conservative think tanks always seems to have some billionaire at its source...someone with all this money and no reasonable place for it to go except to influence the system to maintain or increase the flow through their profit spigot. This influence ensures no healthcare, threatens social security, and continues to decimate the middle class towards extinction.

So there&#039;s &lt;i&gt;an entire industry that supports these people&lt;/i&gt; and it has almost unlimited funds. It has the ability to blow itself up like a puffer fish and look big...ostensibly legion when it is only amply financed with a surgical precision given the controlling interests in almost all our media.

Maybe we will someday be bolstered by the strength of our own numbers. I hope so.

Thanks for the Frank quote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I purchased Wrecking Crew some time ago and promptly discovered John D McDonald and went on a fiction binge so it&#8217;s gathering dust. Now I&#8217;ve been motivated to start. &#8230;did read What&#8217;s the Matter with Kansas thugh&#8230;</p>
<p>Someone once said &#8220;Know your enemy&#8221; (Lao Tzu?) and everything we witness elevation of some lamentably stupid wingnut pundit many wonder about their constituency, even supposing that it must be more widespread than it really is.</p>
<p>The support of Kristol with such an award, financing of tea parties and conservative think tanks always seems to have some billionaire at its source&#8230;someone with all this money and no reasonable place for it to go except to influence the system to maintain or increase the flow through their profit spigot. This influence ensures no healthcare, threatens social security, and continues to decimate the middle class towards extinction.</p>
<p>So there&#8217;s <i>an entire industry that supports these people</i> and it has almost unlimited funds. It has the ability to blow itself up like a puffer fish and look big&#8230;ostensibly legion when it is only amply financed with a surgical precision given the controlling interests in almost all our media.</p>
<p>Maybe we will someday be bolstered by the strength of our own numbers. I hope so.</p>
<p>Thanks for the Frank quote.</p>
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		<title>By: moonbat</title>
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		<dc:creator>moonbat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 03:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Conservativism depends on deception to succeed (from Philip Agre&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/conservatism.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What is Conservativism and What is Wrong With It?&lt;/a&gt;). What you call devolution is simply a moneyed conservative aristocracy grooming and funding anyone who can carry the ball forward for them, at this present time. The fact that Obama didn&#039;t win by a landslide, and that Obama and the Democrats still have to carefully dance around the Republicans in Congress, and that the mainstream media pushes conservative opinions that aren&#039;t ridiculed outright, and which actually shape the debate in this country says it all. I&#039;m sure the funders of today&#039;s conservatives could care less about your opinion of how their side has &quot;devolved&quot;. What matters is how effectively these clowns - Kristol, Beck,  O&#039;Really, Goldberg, etc - can serve their cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conservativism depends on deception to succeed (from Philip Agre&#8217;s <a href="http://polaris.gseis.ucla.edu/pagre/conservatism.html" rel="nofollow">What is Conservativism and What is Wrong With It?</a>). What you call devolution is simply a moneyed conservative aristocracy grooming and funding anyone who can carry the ball forward for them, at this present time. The fact that Obama didn&#8217;t win by a landslide, and that Obama and the Democrats still have to carefully dance around the Republicans in Congress, and that the mainstream media pushes conservative opinions that aren&#8217;t ridiculed outright, and which actually shape the debate in this country says it all. I&#8217;m sure the funders of today&#8217;s conservatives could care less about your opinion of how their side has &#8220;devolved&#8221;. What matters is how effectively these clowns &#8211; Kristol, Beck,  O&#8217;Really, Goldberg, etc &#8211; can serve their cause.</p>
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		<title>By: uncledad</title>
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		<dc:creator>uncledad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 02:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Kristol is an entertainer&quot;

I respectfully have to disagree with that. The right uses the same excuse for Rush, Hannity, Beck, all those fucks, but the fact is they really seem to be the primary source of wingnut power. They influence, shape and follow republican policy more effectively than the elected wingnuts. They are not entertainers; they are the center of the conservative movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Kristol is an entertainer&#8221;</p>
<p>I respectfully have to disagree with that. The right uses the same excuse for Rush, Hannity, Beck, all those fucks, but the fact is they really seem to be the primary source of wingnut power. They influence, shape and follow republican policy more effectively than the elected wingnuts. They are not entertainers; they are the center of the conservative movement.</p>
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		<title>By: joel hanes</title>
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		<dc:creator>joel hanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 01:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Kristol graduated Harvard magna cum laude in three years and has a Ph.D., his biography says. But, folks, stupid is as stupid thinks. Either Kristol was dropped on his head post-Ph.D. or Kristol’s professors were paid off. There are no other explanations.&lt;/em&gt;

With all due respect, I beg to offer a third explanation:

Bill Kristol does not really hold the positions he consistently advocates in his public personna.  It&#039;s all bullshit in the strict Harry Frankfurt definition -- pro-forma untruths that are known at the time of telling to be untrue, both by the teller and by the audience.    Kristol is an entertainer, pretending to be much more stupid than he is, because that&#039;s his bread and butter: mouthing the Straight Movement Conservative Position no matter how ludicrous it makes him look to other educated persons.  He&#039;s playing to the rubes, and was (in the beginning at least) laughing all the way to the bank.

But as L. Ron Hubbard famously discovered, once you start down the road of living a lie, it&#039;s difficult to prevent the madness you espouse from seeping back into your personality.  Kristol&#039;s prevarications have become his Body Thetans, clinging to him, shaping his worldview, distorting his perceptions, until he can no longer distinguish the boundaries between the performer and the performance.

I pity him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Kristol graduated Harvard magna cum laude in three years and has a Ph.D., his biography says. But, folks, stupid is as stupid thinks. Either Kristol was dropped on his head post-Ph.D. or Kristol’s professors were paid off. There are no other explanations.</em></p>
<p>With all due respect, I beg to offer a third explanation:</p>
<p>Bill Kristol does not really hold the positions he consistently advocates in his public personna.  It&#8217;s all bullshit in the strict Harry Frankfurt definition &#8212; pro-forma untruths that are known at the time of telling to be untrue, both by the teller and by the audience.    Kristol is an entertainer, pretending to be much more stupid than he is, because that&#8217;s his bread and butter: mouthing the Straight Movement Conservative Position no matter how ludicrous it makes him look to other educated persons.  He&#8217;s playing to the rubes, and was (in the beginning at least) laughing all the way to the bank.</p>
<p>But as L. Ron Hubbard famously discovered, once you start down the road of living a lie, it&#8217;s difficult to prevent the madness you espouse from seeping back into your personality.  Kristol&#8217;s prevarications have become his Body Thetans, clinging to him, shaping his worldview, distorting his perceptions, until he can no longer distinguish the boundaries between the performer and the performance.</p>
<p>I pity him.</p>
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		<title>By: ozonehole</title>
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		<dc:creator>ozonehole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 01:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the emergence of Sarah Palin and Joe-the-Plumber as leaders of the conservative movement says it all.

I wonder who the next generation of Republican leaders will be? Helen-the-WalMart-greeter, Jeff-the-drug-dealer, or Tom-with-only-18-chromosomes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the emergence of Sarah Palin and Joe-the-Plumber as leaders of the conservative movement says it all.</p>
<p>I wonder who the next generation of Republican leaders will be? Helen-the-WalMart-greeter, Jeff-the-drug-dealer, or Tom-with-only-18-chromosomes?</p>
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