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		<title>By: Pat Pattillo</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2009/05/18/white-whales-and-wingnuts/comment-page-1/#comment-620238</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Pattillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 14:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pardon the afterthought but Al Gore was also an object of conservative hatred but he was cast as an effete, snobbish, intellectual pansy so that too is consistent and seems to be rooted in sexual identity crises...

Notice their heroes and spokespersons -- Ronald Reagan, Charlton Heston, Chuck Norris, Sarah Palin and lately some silicon-inflated beauty queen. We are supposed to overlook the part that their actual leadership was predominantly chickenhawk. But there&#039;s even something workable their because it gives the average chickenhawk among them something to identify with while imagining themselves something more fierce along the lines of their gender archetypes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pardon the afterthought but Al Gore was also an object of conservative hatred but he was cast as an effete, snobbish, intellectual pansy so that too is consistent and seems to be rooted in sexual identity crises&#8230;</p>
<p>Notice their heroes and spokespersons &#8212; Ronald Reagan, Charlton Heston, Chuck Norris, Sarah Palin and lately some silicon-inflated beauty queen. We are supposed to overlook the part that their actual leadership was predominantly chickenhawk. But there&#8217;s even something workable their because it gives the average chickenhawk among them something to identify with while imagining themselves something more fierce along the lines of their gender archetypes.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Pattillo</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2009/05/18/white-whales-and-wingnuts/comment-page-1/#comment-620232</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Pattillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 14:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. You&#039;ve tapped into something dark and sinister within their psyches and I&#039;m not sure they really understand it themselves. You touched on it with:

&lt;i&gt;For the Right, life is one long, monomaniacal quest to get even with the Left.
&lt;/i&gt;

They are fulfilled by this. It has elements of projection too but at a deeper level is satisfies something primal in the way they make out their object of hatred to be so purely and consummately ***** (fill in the blanks here...evil, duplicitous, ignorant or malicious, etc.).

This person becomes the funnel for some cathartic rage and indignation which, in turn, fires them up even more. Never mind that they are unable to explain themsevles coherently at times the thrill is in the chase rather than any eventual &quot;catch&quot;.

It is also telling and perhaps even Oedipal that strong women seem to trigger this response to a greater degree than men. First they fixated on Hilary Clinton and now Pelosi. These women are quite unlike their female counterparts on the right  who, in some very narrow range, stick close to the right-wing mantra of the day...a recitation identical or at least never straying far from the one their conservative men-folk are simultaneously blasting out. Notice that you will never see male-female disagreement and very little female initiative from within the right.

Bill Russel ini his book on Red Auerbach recounted his grandfather&#039;s advice which was that everyone in life has this little red wagon full of stuff that they carry around with them in life and sometimes this stuff causes them to do some crazy things. When they come at you it has nothing to do with you or anything you did. It is actually about them.

So we are no longer dealing with a political ideology here. It&#039;s a psychological phenomenon.

Some of us here in American are very, very sick and a few are evil enough to exploit that for the sake of their own power. Look at it through those glasses and a lot more makes sense, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. You&#8217;ve tapped into something dark and sinister within their psyches and I&#8217;m not sure they really understand it themselves. You touched on it with:</p>
<p><i>For the Right, life is one long, monomaniacal quest to get even with the Left.<br />
</i></p>
<p>They are fulfilled by this. It has elements of projection too but at a deeper level is satisfies something primal in the way they make out their object of hatred to be so purely and consummately ***** (fill in the blanks here&#8230;evil, duplicitous, ignorant or malicious, etc.).</p>
<p>This person becomes the funnel for some cathartic rage and indignation which, in turn, fires them up even more. Never mind that they are unable to explain themsevles coherently at times the thrill is in the chase rather than any eventual &#8220;catch&#8221;.</p>
<p>It is also telling and perhaps even Oedipal that strong women seem to trigger this response to a greater degree than men. First they fixated on Hilary Clinton and now Pelosi. These women are quite unlike their female counterparts on the right  who, in some very narrow range, stick close to the right-wing mantra of the day&#8230;a recitation identical or at least never straying far from the one their conservative men-folk are simultaneously blasting out. Notice that you will never see male-female disagreement and very little female initiative from within the right.</p>
<p>Bill Russel ini his book on Red Auerbach recounted his grandfather&#8217;s advice which was that everyone in life has this little red wagon full of stuff that they carry around with them in life and sometimes this stuff causes them to do some crazy things. When they come at you it has nothing to do with you or anything you did. It is actually about them.</p>
<p>So we are no longer dealing with a political ideology here. It&#8217;s a psychological phenomenon.</p>
<p>Some of us here in American are very, very sick and a few are evil enough to exploit that for the sake of their own power. Look at it through those glasses and a lot more makes sense, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 13:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant quality, not quantity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant quality, not quantity.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 19:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virginia, I think they get plenty of sex - ask any evangelist. (Snark.) I just think it&#039;s accompanied by crushing guilt, especially when there&#039;s no resulting pregnancy. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virginia, I think they get plenty of sex &#8211; ask any evangelist. (Snark.) I just think it&#8217;s accompanied by crushing guilt, especially when there&#8217;s no resulting pregnancy. <img src='http://www.mahablog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Virginia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 17:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it just boils down to the fact that they are afraid we have had better sex lives than they have.  

And they are probably right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it just boils down to the fact that they are afraid we have had better sex lives than they have.  </p>
<p>And they are probably right.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To get to the basics of the right&#039;s problem , I think you have to go back to the Civil War . The GOP is the party of the south right ? The south has never forgiven the North for &quot;winning&quot; , and they have ben trying to &quot;get back at us&quot; like a spoiled child ever since . 
              w3ski</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To get to the basics of the right&#8217;s problem , I think you have to go back to the Civil War . The GOP is the party of the south right ? The south has never forgiven the North for &#8220;winning&#8221; , and they have ben trying to &#8220;get back at us&#8221; like a spoiled child ever since .<br />
              w3ski</p>
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		<title>By: booze</title>
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		<dc:creator>booze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How on earth does that wanker at The Politico figure that Cindy Sheehan represents a challenge from the &quot;base&quot;?  She&#039;s not even a Democrat!  And it was 2008, not 2004, when she ran as a &quot;challenger&quot; to Pelosi.  No one had even heard of her until late summer 2005 and &quot;Camp Casey&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How on earth does that wanker at The Politico figure that Cindy Sheehan represents a challenge from the &#8220;base&#8221;?  She&#8217;s not even a Democrat!  And it was 2008, not 2004, when she ran as a &#8220;challenger&#8221; to Pelosi.  No one had even heard of her until late summer 2005 and &#8220;Camp Casey&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: c u n d gulag</title>
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		<dc:creator>c u n d gulag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 13:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ELVIS!!!  WHERE????????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ELVIS!!!  WHERE????????????</p>
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		<title>By: joanr16</title>
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		<dc:creator>joanr16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 13:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, the GOP is attacking Pelosi as a hypocrite because they seem to think this somehow, magically, will end inquiries into their own actions while in power.  I think this is meant as a &quot;warning&quot; to others not to dig into the matter of torture.  Instead, it only serves to underscore the GOP&#039;s cluelessness re their current standing with the American people.

Pelosi may in fact be a hypocrite in this matter, but that doesn&#039;t un-make torture advocates of the GOP.  Their next ploy will probably be something along the lines of, &quot;Look!  Is that &lt;i&gt;Elvis&lt;/i&gt; over there?!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, the GOP is attacking Pelosi as a hypocrite because they seem to think this somehow, magically, will end inquiries into their own actions while in power.  I think this is meant as a &#8220;warning&#8221; to others not to dig into the matter of torture.  Instead, it only serves to underscore the GOP&#8217;s cluelessness re their current standing with the American people.</p>
<p>Pelosi may in fact be a hypocrite in this matter, but that doesn&#8217;t un-make torture advocates of the GOP.  Their next ploy will probably be something along the lines of, &#8220;Look!  Is that <i>Elvis</i> over there?!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: c u n d gulag</title>
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		<dc:creator>c u n d gulag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 11:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What everyone seems to forget is, that even if the CIA tattoo&#039;d that they were using EIT (including waterboarding) on Nancy&#039;s back, there&#039;s not much she could have said or done about it at the time.  She couldn&#039;t tell the press.  She couldn&#039;t tell the citizen&#039;s directly.  
And I think it&#039;s great that the right, expecially, seem to have forgotten this.  They&#039;re like Daffy Duck in that classic hunting episode where he wants Elmer to shoot Bugs because he&#039;s trying to convince Elmer that it&#039;s &#039;Rabbit Season.&#039;  After a series of switching of &#039;ducks season/rabbit season&#039; signs, Daffy holds up a sign that says &#039;Duck Season.&#039;  &quot;SHOOT ME NOW!!!,&quot; he screams at Elmer, who calmly complies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What everyone seems to forget is, that even if the CIA tattoo&#8217;d that they were using EIT (including waterboarding) on Nancy&#8217;s back, there&#8217;s not much she could have said or done about it at the time.  She couldn&#8217;t tell the press.  She couldn&#8217;t tell the citizen&#8217;s directly.<br />
And I think it&#8217;s great that the right, expecially, seem to have forgotten this.  They&#8217;re like Daffy Duck in that classic hunting episode where he wants Elmer to shoot Bugs because he&#8217;s trying to convince Elmer that it&#8217;s &#8216;Rabbit Season.&#8217;  After a series of switching of &#8216;ducks season/rabbit season&#8217; signs, Daffy holds up a sign that says &#8216;Duck Season.&#8217;  &#8220;SHOOT ME NOW!!!,&#8221; he screams at Elmer, who calmly complies.</p>
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