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		<title>By: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2009/08/01/astroturf-mobs-disrupting-town-hall-meetings/comment-page-1/#comment-628797</link>
		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elections are not a &quot;pet project.&quot; They are the foundation of our government. I&#039;m all in favor of some kind of identification requirement as long as it isn&#039;t burdensome to the poor and elderly, which some argue a photo ID would be. As it is there IS a means of identification at the polls, which is the requirement of a signature. In the past, various kinds of requirements (poll taxes and tests) have been used to keep some people from voting. 

There&#039;s a big difference with people being excitable and rowdy and people behaving thuggishly to stop a meeting. This is what you don&#039;t get. And while I&#039;m sure people&#039;s anger and fear is real, it is being stoked by professional liars in rightie media. Once again, corporate interests and lobbyists are seeing to it that the people&#039;s interests are thwarted, and whether you like it or not, those people screaming about death panels and socialism at meetings are dupes and tools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elections are not a &#8220;pet project.&#8221; They are the foundation of our government. I&#8217;m all in favor of some kind of identification requirement as long as it isn&#8217;t burdensome to the poor and elderly, which some argue a photo ID would be. As it is there IS a means of identification at the polls, which is the requirement of a signature. In the past, various kinds of requirements (poll taxes and tests) have been used to keep some people from voting. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a big difference with people being excitable and rowdy and people behaving thuggishly to stop a meeting. This is what you don&#8217;t get. And while I&#8217;m sure people&#8217;s anger and fear is real, it is being stoked by professional liars in rightie media. Once again, corporate interests and lobbyists are seeing to it that the people&#8217;s interests are thwarted, and whether you like it or not, those people screaming about death panels and socialism at meetings are dupes and tools.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came here pointing out that the suggestion to require photo ID has been tried before - to ensure 1 person 1 vote.  That suggestion has been hammered to the public as disenfranchising voters by Democrats (in my state).  And now that the tables are turned, and the Democrats are getting resistance to their pet projects, requiring ID&#039;s is suddenly fine and dandy...   For my efforts, I&#039;m required to come up with an alternative? No, sorry, that&#039;s not my job.

Regarding your suggestion of voter rolls and signatures, I would be 100% fine with that, as it&#039;s how we currently ensure that each person casts only one vote.

Regarding if the meetings were limited to only the representative&#039;s district, I would wager things wouldn&#039;t turn out much differently.  Remember, what you see in news clips and on you tube is in reality less than 5% of a town hall.  All I&#039;ve seen in a minute or two of some angry people venting, and nothing to indicate that it occurs for the entire duration.  Your earlier link does not offer anything to change my mind, other than people might be coming from other locations, since they aren&#039;t offered a town hall by their representative...  certainly nothing to support the outlandish claims that they&#039;re Republican plants or Union thugs.  

While I&#039;m at it, Pelosi&#039;s mock indignation at the turn of events here, is in stark contrast to her reactions when there were issues with rowdy people at town hall&#039;s a few years ago... in fact, she stated that it was proof of democracy in action, and she fully supported people standing up and disagreeing with the Republicans.  Yet more hypocrisy from &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; side.

Personally, if it&#039;s true that there are organizers out that are intending to only disrupt these town halls, then I&#039;m disgusted with them.  I&#039;m not to that point yet, I still think that while there might be a small minority of trouble makers, most of the questions, shouting, applauding, and anger is honest and from the heart... on something that affects the entire nation greatly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came here pointing out that the suggestion to require photo ID has been tried before &#8211; to ensure 1 person 1 vote.  That suggestion has been hammered to the public as disenfranchising voters by Democrats (in my state).  And now that the tables are turned, and the Democrats are getting resistance to their pet projects, requiring ID&#8217;s is suddenly fine and dandy&#8230;   For my efforts, I&#8217;m required to come up with an alternative? No, sorry, that&#8217;s not my job.</p>
<p>Regarding your suggestion of voter rolls and signatures, I would be 100% fine with that, as it&#8217;s how we currently ensure that each person casts only one vote.</p>
<p>Regarding if the meetings were limited to only the representative&#8217;s district, I would wager things wouldn&#8217;t turn out much differently.  Remember, what you see in news clips and on you tube is in reality less than 5% of a town hall.  All I&#8217;ve seen in a minute or two of some angry people venting, and nothing to indicate that it occurs for the entire duration.  Your earlier link does not offer anything to change my mind, other than people might be coming from other locations, since they aren&#8217;t offered a town hall by their representative&#8230;  certainly nothing to support the outlandish claims that they&#8217;re Republican plants or Union thugs.  </p>
<p>While I&#8217;m at it, Pelosi&#8217;s mock indignation at the turn of events here, is in stark contrast to her reactions when there were issues with rowdy people at town hall&#8217;s a few years ago&#8230; in fact, she stated that it was proof of democracy in action, and she fully supported people standing up and disagreeing with the Republicans.  Yet more hypocrisy from <i>that</i> side.</p>
<p>Personally, if it&#8217;s true that there are organizers out that are intending to only disrupt these town halls, then I&#8217;m disgusted with them.  I&#8217;m not to that point yet, I still think that while there might be a small minority of trouble makers, most of the questions, shouting, applauding, and anger is honest and from the heart&#8230; on something that affects the entire nation greatly.</p>
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		<title>By: maha</title>
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		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I&#039;m not saying that the only solution is to require IDs to be shown. I asked you, nicely, to provide another solution. And you didn&#039;t. 
&lt;em&gt;
ask the meeting organizers to find a way to control the angry mob’s of partisan plants.&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s what the photo ID solution is for. &lt;strong&gt;A U.S. representative is answerable to the people who vote for him.&lt;/strong&gt; Meaning, the people who live in his congressional district. If the meeting is limited to people who live in his district, the crowd would be much more controllable and less likely to be a mass of &quot;partisan plants.&quot; However, if you don&#039;t like the photo ID solution, we could have the voter rolls there and have everyone provide a signature, the way people do before they vote. How would that work for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I&#8217;m not saying that the only solution is to require IDs to be shown. I asked you, nicely, to provide another solution. And you didn&#8217;t.<br />
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ask the meeting organizers to find a way to control the angry mob’s of partisan plants.</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s what the photo ID solution is for. <strong>A U.S. representative is answerable to the people who vote for him.</strong> Meaning, the people who live in his congressional district. If the meeting is limited to people who live in his district, the crowd would be much more controllable and less likely to be a mass of &#8220;partisan plants.&#8221; However, if you don&#8217;t like the photo ID solution, we could have the voter rolls there and have everyone provide a signature, the way people do before they vote. How would that work for you?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, you&#039;re not only saying that the &lt;b&gt;ONLY&lt;/b&gt; solution is to require ID&#039;s to be shown - even after you&#039;ve been shown the glaring and blinding hypocrisy from the &lt;i&gt;left&lt;/i&gt;.  Now, you&#039;re threatening me to answer a question that has no bearing on my statement.  Fine, here&#039;s my answer, lest I be &lt;i&gt;banned for being stupid&lt;/i&gt;, ask the meeting organizers to find a way to control the &lt;i&gt;angry mob&#039;s of partisan plants&lt;/i&gt;.  They&#039;re the experts at these things, I&#039;m just a software engineer.  I&#039;m so sorry that no one can think of a better way to work with their people, then to simply control who enters... in a way that has been decried as unconstitutional when it comes to the actual act of voting.

Hope you can take some time out of your utopia to realize that just because I completely disagree with you, and others here, doesn&#039;t make me &lt;b&gt;stupid&lt;/b&gt;.  If you can&#039;t, then C&#039;est la vie, I&#039;ll survive without you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you&#8217;re not only saying that the <b>ONLY</b> solution is to require ID&#8217;s to be shown &#8211; even after you&#8217;ve been shown the glaring and blinding hypocrisy from the <i>left</i>.  Now, you&#8217;re threatening me to answer a question that has no bearing on my statement.  Fine, here&#8217;s my answer, lest I be <i>banned for being stupid</i>, ask the meeting organizers to find a way to control the <i>angry mob&#8217;s of partisan plants</i>.  They&#8217;re the experts at these things, I&#8217;m just a software engineer.  I&#8217;m so sorry that no one can think of a better way to work with their people, then to simply control who enters&#8230; in a way that has been decried as unconstitutional when it comes to the actual act of voting.</p>
<p>Hope you can take some time out of your utopia to realize that just because I completely disagree with you, and others here, doesn&#8217;t make me <b>stupid</b>.  If you can&#8217;t, then C&#8217;est la vie, I&#8217;ll survive without you.</p>
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		<title>By: maha</title>
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		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idiocy is stunning. Jason can&#039;t answer my question. Ever read the Federalist Papers, pinhead? Or the Constitution? Can you define the relationship of a &quot;congressman&quot; and a &quot;district&quot;? Or do you want to destroy democracy of America?

Answer the question or be banned for being stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idiocy is stunning. Jason can&#8217;t answer my question. Ever read the Federalist Papers, pinhead? Or the Constitution? Can you define the relationship of a &#8220;congressman&#8221; and a &#8220;district&#8221;? Or do you want to destroy democracy of America?</p>
<p>Answer the question or be banned for being stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hypocrisy is stunning.  Can&#039;t require an ID to vote... yet must provide an ID to attend a town hall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hypocrisy is stunning.  Can&#8217;t require an ID to vote&#8230; yet must provide an ID to attend a town hall.</p>
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		<title>By: maha</title>
		<link>http://www.mahablog.com/2009/08/01/astroturf-mobs-disrupting-town-hall-meetings/comment-page-1/#comment-628755</link>
		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, Jason, here&#039;s the situation. Townhall meetings are being disrupted by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/11/health-care-protesters-la_n_256013.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;large gangs of people from other districts&lt;/a&gt;, so that people who live in a district cannot talk to their own congressperson. what would you do to remedy this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Jason, here&#8217;s the situation. Townhall meetings are being disrupted by <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/11/health-care-protesters-la_n_256013.html" rel="nofollow">large gangs of people from other districts</a>, so that people who live in a district cannot talk to their own congressperson. what would you do to remedy this?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Doug Hughes
&lt;i&gt;
Want to throw a wrwnch into this tactic? Have security require town hall participants show photo ID.
&lt;/i&gt;

In my state at least (Wisconsin), there was a movement to require photo ID&#039;s to vote.  That was quelled by Democrats with the cry of &quot;Disenfranchising the poor who might not have the means to afford to obtain a state ID&quot;, which was countered with funding in the bill to provide anyone without means a free photo Id, which was countered with more &quot;poor disenfranchising&quot;.

Interesting now, the democrats are asking for photo ID&#039;s for entrance to &lt;b&gt;Town Hall meetings&lt;/b&gt; and yet nothing for voting.  This cry for Photo ID entrances by Doug is being repeated else where, and I know of one upcoming Town Hall in Milwaukee that is going to require Photo ID&#039;s.  The hypocrisy is stunning, absolutely stunning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Doug Hughes<br />
<i><br />
Want to throw a wrwnch into this tactic? Have security require town hall participants show photo ID.<br />
</i></p>
<p>In my state at least (Wisconsin), there was a movement to require photo ID&#8217;s to vote.  That was quelled by Democrats with the cry of &#8220;Disenfranchising the poor who might not have the means to afford to obtain a state ID&#8221;, which was countered with funding in the bill to provide anyone without means a free photo Id, which was countered with more &#8220;poor disenfranchising&#8221;.</p>
<p>Interesting now, the democrats are asking for photo ID&#8217;s for entrance to <b>Town Hall meetings</b> and yet nothing for voting.  This cry for Photo ID entrances by Doug is being repeated else where, and I know of one upcoming Town Hall in Milwaukee that is going to require Photo ID&#8217;s.  The hypocrisy is stunning, absolutely stunning.</p>
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		<title>By: maha</title>
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		<dc:creator>maha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I wish Americans could see the national health care systems in Europe and Canada, not to mention Israel, Australia, and a lot of other places, instead of just hearing the lies and hysteria from the Right. Then the scales would fall from their eyes and they&#039;d see the Right is lying to them, and embrace a national health care system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I wish Americans could see the national health care systems in Europe and Canada, not to mention Israel, Australia, and a lot of other places, instead of just hearing the lies and hysteria from the Right. Then the scales would fall from their eyes and they&#8217;d see the Right is lying to them, and embrace a national health care system.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis Rychtar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis Rychtar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you just don&#039;t get here do you?  People are weary of socialistic medicine as they see it practiced in Europe and Canada.  They reject collective ideas and you don&#039;t know what hit you.   Let&#039;s hear for common folks who are protesting against  socialistic ideas. More power to them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you just don&#8217;t get here do you?  People are weary of socialistic medicine as they see it practiced in Europe and Canada.  They reject collective ideas and you don&#8217;t know what hit you.   Let&#8217;s hear for common folks who are protesting against  socialistic ideas. More power to them</p>
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