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		<title>By: Chris Sweet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Sweet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brain dead? No. They&#039;re just fucking evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brain dead? No. They&#8217;re just fucking evil.</p>
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		<title>By: felicity</title>
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		<dc:creator>felicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid it&#039;s true that with an attention span of 3 minutes, we&#039;re a nation of soft-boiled eggs. (I&#039;ll give conservative intellectuals attention spans of 6 minutes so some of us are actually hard-boiled eggs.)  Which brings me to the popularity of Palin.  

Hayward entirely missed the draw of Palin.  But Adam Brikley, one of Palin&#039;s early and avid supporters got it right when he attributed Palin&#039;s  meteoric rise in Republican circles to &quot;the hand of God playing a role in choosing her&quot; and concluded his observation with the profound remark that &quot;something else was at work.&quot;  

(If I remember correctly the last person &#039;chosen by God&#039; to run America didn&#039;t work out too well.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid it&#8217;s true that with an attention span of 3 minutes, we&#8217;re a nation of soft-boiled eggs. (I&#8217;ll give conservative intellectuals attention spans of 6 minutes so some of us are actually hard-boiled eggs.)  Which brings me to the popularity of Palin.  </p>
<p>Hayward entirely missed the draw of Palin.  But Adam Brikley, one of Palin&#8217;s early and avid supporters got it right when he attributed Palin&#8217;s  meteoric rise in Republican circles to &#8220;the hand of God playing a role in choosing her&#8221; and concluded his observation with the profound remark that &#8220;something else was at work.&#8221;  </p>
<p>(If I remember correctly the last person &#8216;chosen by God&#8217; to run America didn&#8217;t work out too well.)</p>
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		<title>By: Swami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 04:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>t.. here, you know where it goes   :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t.. here, you know where it goes   <img src='http://www.mahablog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Swami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 04:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glenn Beck fits the description of an intellectual conservative to me. He might look and act like a complete moron but, within his thick skull I&#039;m sure there are some very profound and complex thoughts... After all, who else was intelligent enough to decipher a communist plot infiltrated through artwork at Rockefeller plaza and the NBC building. Sure it&#039;s not exactly Rosetta stone complexity.....Yet nobody was intelligent enough to pick up on it —except Beck.

As far as I&#039;m concerned, Glenn Beck is an intellectual dynamo of conservative though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn Beck fits the description of an intellectual conservative to me. He might look and act like a complete moron but, within his thick skull I&#8217;m sure there are some very profound and complex thoughts&#8230; After all, who else was intelligent enough to decipher a communist plot infiltrated through artwork at Rockefeller plaza and the NBC building. Sure it&#8217;s not exactly Rosetta stone complexity&#8230;..Yet nobody was intelligent enough to pick up on it —except Beck.</p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, Glenn Beck is an intellectual dynamo of conservative though.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat Pattillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat Pattillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Conservatism is naturally reactionary and fear-based, neither condition being conducive to higher thinking.&lt;/i&gt;

It may be but they are having a great deal of success at instilling fear in others...at keeping them arguing over crumbs while they themselves commit grand larceny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Conservatism is naturally reactionary and fear-based, neither condition being conducive to higher thinking.</i></p>
<p>It may be but they are having a great deal of success at instilling fear in others&#8230;at keeping them arguing over crumbs while they themselves commit grand larceny.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Farber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I haven’t encountered a single &#039;intellectual&#039; conservative outside of William F. Buckley.&quot;

There were some, but they&#039;re similarly dead now.  Russell Kirk, for example.

Having read Allen Bloom&#039;s &lt;i&gt;The Closing of the American Mind&lt;/i&gt; not long after it came out, although this is merely an opinion of mine, and not a fresh one, my conclusion at the time was that it was a case of an intelligent old man being extremely, highly, cranky, and wrongheaded.  And that the book got much much worse in its argumentation as one proceeded further into it.

As I, admittedly somewhat vaguely at this point, recall, he started out on the point that the &quot;Great Books&quot; had a great deal of value; I&#039;m fine with that.  But it went downhill from there into rants about the mindlessness of Sixties leftist though --where he still had some point up to a point -- into claims that liberal philosophy inevitably led to such a crisis of philosophy and failure, and got worse from there.  Not long thereafter he was ranting about the sex lives of students, the evils of rock music, and generally sounding like Al Capp in his late years.  Bloom wanted all the kids and leftists off his lawn.

On a point of fact, Bloom &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Bloom&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;disclaimed&lt;/a&gt; being a conservative: &lt;blockquote&gt; [...]  Although Bloom was characterised as a conservative in the popular media, Bloom explicitly stated that this was a misunderstanding, and made it clear that he was not to be affliated with any conservative movements:

“ &quot;I am not a conservative - neo or paleo. Conservatism is a respectable outlook... I just do not happen to be that animal... I differ from both theoretical and practical conservative positions.&quot;[2]  &lt;/blockquote&gt; I&#039;m perfectly willing, however, to concede that Steven Hayward knows quite a bit about being brain-dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I haven’t encountered a single &#8216;intellectual&#8217; conservative outside of William F. Buckley.&#8221;</p>
<p>There were some, but they&#8217;re similarly dead now.  Russell Kirk, for example.</p>
<p>Having read Allen Bloom&#8217;s <i>The Closing of the American Mind</i> not long after it came out, although this is merely an opinion of mine, and not a fresh one, my conclusion at the time was that it was a case of an intelligent old man being extremely, highly, cranky, and wrongheaded.  And that the book got much much worse in its argumentation as one proceeded further into it.</p>
<p>As I, admittedly somewhat vaguely at this point, recall, he started out on the point that the &#8220;Great Books&#8221; had a great deal of value; I&#8217;m fine with that.  But it went downhill from there into rants about the mindlessness of Sixties leftist though &#8211;where he still had some point up to a point &#8212; into claims that liberal philosophy inevitably led to such a crisis of philosophy and failure, and got worse from there.  Not long thereafter he was ranting about the sex lives of students, the evils of rock music, and generally sounding like Al Capp in his late years.  Bloom wanted all the kids and leftists off his lawn.</p>
<p>On a point of fact, Bloom <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Bloom" rel="nofollow">disclaimed</a> being a conservative:<br />
<blockquote> [...]  Although Bloom was characterised as a conservative in the popular media, Bloom explicitly stated that this was a misunderstanding, and made it clear that he was not to be affliated with any conservative movements:</p>
<p>“ &#8220;I am not a conservative &#8211; neo or paleo. Conservatism is a respectable outlook&#8230; I just do not happen to be that animal&#8230; I differ from both theoretical and practical conservative positions.&#8221;[2]  </p></blockquote>
<p> I&#8217;m perfectly willing, however, to concede that Steven Hayward knows quite a bit about being brain-dead.</p>
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		<title>By: erinyes</title>
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		<dc:creator>erinyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/24158</description>
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		<title>By: c u n d gulag</title>
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		<dc:creator>c u n d gulag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonah&#039;s book about Liberals and fascism is about as reality-based and funny as a book entitled, &#039;Hitler&#039;s Humor - Updated to Include The Fuhrer&#039;s Favorite Jewish Jokes!&quot;  I wouldn&#039;t know.  Even if I could steal his book I wouldn&#039;t.  I wouldn&#039;t read it if it was the only thing to read on a desert island.
If Jonah is the best you can offer for intellectual discourse, then maybe we can bring out Soupy Sales to discuss foriegn affairs; but only if Bozo in on another international mission.
Jesus, how dumb are these people?  Don&#039;t answer that....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonah&#8217;s book about Liberals and fascism is about as reality-based and funny as a book entitled, &#8216;Hitler&#8217;s Humor &#8211; Updated to Include The Fuhrer&#8217;s Favorite Jewish Jokes!&#8221;  I wouldn&#8217;t know.  Even if I could steal his book I wouldn&#8217;t.  I wouldn&#8217;t read it if it was the only thing to read on a desert island.<br />
If Jonah is the best you can offer for intellectual discourse, then maybe we can bring out Soupy Sales to discuss foriegn affairs; but only if Bozo in on another international mission.<br />
Jesus, how dumb are these people?  Don&#8217;t answer that&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MNPundit</title>
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		<dc:creator>MNPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get it. Fukayama was right politically in that Western Liberal Representative Democracy is the pinnacle of human governance. That&#039;s not to say it doesn&#039;t have it&#039;s problems, but the solutions are not to make the governments less LR or D. Things like money, demagoguery, apathy are all issues but none of them requires a chance in LRD, only the rules around it. Once a state reaches that, it can no longer positively evolve.

I guess my difference with Fukayama is that societies can still go backwards into authoritarianism, theocracy, whatever. Reaching LRD does not guarantee LRD into the future--we must always fight to keep the system from collapsing, but until a fundamental change in the nature of humans (transhumans, post humans, machine life) this is the best system possible as a political system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get it. Fukayama was right politically in that Western Liberal Representative Democracy is the pinnacle of human governance. That&#8217;s not to say it doesn&#8217;t have it&#8217;s problems, but the solutions are not to make the governments less LR or D. Things like money, demagoguery, apathy are all issues but none of them requires a chance in LRD, only the rules around it. Once a state reaches that, it can no longer positively evolve.</p>
<p>I guess my difference with Fukayama is that societies can still go backwards into authoritarianism, theocracy, whatever. Reaching LRD does not guarantee LRD into the future&#8211;we must always fight to keep the system from collapsing, but until a fundamental change in the nature of humans (transhumans, post humans, machine life) this is the best system possible as a political system.</p>
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		<title>By: moonbat</title>
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		<dc:creator>moonbat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Dean addressed this oxymoron of conservative intellectuals in his books. Dean&#039;s conclusion is that there are very few, if any conservative intellectuals, and this is further clouded by the fact that nobody can define what conservativism really is, or at least there are ten different strains of it, trying to elbow each other out. It&#039;s a mess, and Hayward&#039;s comments (Jonah Goldberg? Really?) reveal him to be an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Dean addressed this oxymoron of conservative intellectuals in his books. Dean&#8217;s conclusion is that there are very few, if any conservative intellectuals, and this is further clouded by the fact that nobody can define what conservativism really is, or at least there are ten different strains of it, trying to elbow each other out. It&#8217;s a mess, and Hayward&#8217;s comments (Jonah Goldberg? Really?) reveal him to be an idiot.</p>
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