The Great Grandstander Vs. the Un-Grandstander

Obama Administration

Intelligent people may disagree whether NATO and UN support for the Libya rebellion was and is the right thing to do. For two views of Libya at The Guardian, see Simon Jenkins, “The end of Gaddafi is welcome. But it does not justify the means“; and Mohamed Salem, “Libya is no Iraq – this revolution is the real deal.”

The real test will be to what degree the West, and all the vampire squids of the world, will allow the Libyans to be in charge of their own country. And that remains to be seen. At this point, whether the military action was “worth it” is, IMO, an open question. See also Juan Cole, “How to Avoid Bush’s Iraq Mistakes in Libya.”

That said, I still think Dennis Kucinich needs to shut up.

Kucinich has been utterly opposed to providing any assistance to the Libya uprising from the beginning. But now he’s screeching that NATO’s top commanders should be tried for war crimes before the International Criminal Court. He’s also still questioning U.S. motives —

“Was the United States, through participation in the overthrow of the regime, furthering the aims of international oil corporations in pursuit of control over one of the world’s largest oil resources?” he asked. “Did the United States at the inception of the war against Libya align itself with elements of Al Qaeda, while elsewhere continuing to use the threat of Al Qaeda as a reason for U.S. military intervention, presence and occupation?”

As for the first part, we’ll see. As for the second part — Dennis, get a grip.

Not every military action is Iraq all over again, just as not every military action is Vietnam all over again, or (as my Dad’s generation used to think) World War II all over again.

Further, to continue to frame the rebellion as “NATO’s war in Libya,” as Kucinich does, IMO belies a worldview uncomfortably close to Kipling’s “White Man’s Burden.” Apparently, in Kucinich’s world, the desires and initiatives of the simple brown natives do not count. The only actors that matter are, um, not African.

To quote Mohamed Salem,

The roots of Iraq and Afghanistan’s tragedy lie in the abrupt and imposed nature of change. It’s easy to forget that Libya’s organic and intense popular uprising preceded any international intervention. UN security council resolution 1973, which authorised the use of force to protect civilians, was only passed when it became clear that a massacre in the east was imminent. This is not Nato’s revolution, not by a long way. The Libyan revolution remains very much the real deal.

The reason this matters is because it means no foreign power can now assert a moral right to meddle in Libya’s future. Libya’s destiny is now rightfully in the hands of its people, having been hijacked by Gaddafi and his cronies for almost 42 years. It also means the west must to a degree absolve itself of direct responsibility for what happens next in Libya and leave the planning to Libyans themselves.

This is exactly right, and it’s going to be a test of President Obama’s character to see if he chooses to respect Libya’s sovereignty rather than attempt to intervene on behalf of the oil companies or anyone else. If Dennis Kucinich were to advocate a “Libya for the Libyans” policy, that would be a great thing. Continuing to screech about al Qaeda makes him sound like a lunatic broken record.

Speaking of President Obama — Alexander Burns and Carrie Budoff Brown write for The Politico

Once again, there will be no flight suit photo op or “Mission Accomplished” banner for Barack Obama.

The ouster of Libyan dictator Muammar Qadhafi represents yet another military victory for a president long cast as a gun-shy liberal uncomfortable with the use of force. But while Obama has claimed credit for his individual successes — and has mentioned the killing of Osama bin Laden at campaign events — he has never fully embraced the role of a president at war.

This is a freaking weird thing to say. The role of a president at war is to strut around in quasi-military garb and hold premature victory celebrations?

Obama’s statement Monday on the collapse of the Qadhafi regime was a case in point. The president applauded the efforts of the Libyan people, but declined to plant the rhetorical equivalent of an American flag on Tripoli and repeatedly emphasized that the situation there remained “fluid.”

Even the rhetorical planting of an American flag in Tripoli would be a huge diplomatic gaffe, I say. President Obama is correct to say that the accomplishment in Libya belongs to the people of Libya, not to western imperialist powers.

The role of a president at war is to direct U.S. military resources to their best advantage in the service of U.S. interests, and from what I have seen President Obama is doing a far better job at that than his predecessor. He may be “reluctant” to pull a Dubya and prance around like a damnfool buffoon in a flight suit, but he doesn’t hesitate to make risky decisions (in the case of taking out bin Laden).

If Libya turns into a stable democracy in charge of its own resources, and the U.S. is not spending billions of dollars in a fruitless and endless occupation, it will be clear proof that it was George W. Bush, not Barack Obama, who didn’t get the “role of a war president” thing right.

However, that won’t stop Republicans from continuing to claim Democrats don’t understand war or national security.

Update: Michael Tomasky says Obama is turning out to be a great foreign policy president.

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  1. Felicity  •  Aug 24, 2011 @11:27 am

    And watching Bush suited up for flight, helmet under arm, swagger on the deck of that carrier announcing ‘victory’ in Iraq should have sickened any American who remembered that after completing flight school, probably cost the tax payer a million smackers, Georgie refused to take the physical so was denied his pilot’s ‘license.’

    I swear, Republicans suffer from some sort of severe memory loss – must be an acronym for it. How else to explain their complete dismissal of egregious behavior from one of their own.

  2. c u n d gulag  •  Aug 24, 2011 @12:26 pm

    Republican POV:
    Ok, we’ll give you V-E and V-J Days, withe FDR and Truman, but what about since then? What victories did the Democrats ever bring home since then? HUH?
    -Truman got us into Korea, and it took Ike to get us out.
    -Kennedy and LBJ got us into Vietnam, and Nixon got us, “Peace With Honor!”
    -Reagan beat back the Soviet hordes, where millions of Russian soldiers, cleverly disguised as Cuban construction workers were waiting to ambush our troops, and vanquished the enemy in Granada – all while rescuing American medical students whose grades couldn’t even get them into the worst med school in Tijuana.
    -George H. W. Bush beat back the Muslim hordes in the Great Gulf War.
    -And then Clinton, that Liberal draft-dodging pussy, didn’t get bin Laden with a drone, and didn’t topple Saddam with his “No-Fly Zone.” Too bad he didn’t have a ‘no-fly zone’ for that Monica, eh? HAHAHA!
    -All of which caused the greatest war president since, uhm, er, uh, whatever… George W. Bush to have to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. That was all on Clinton!
    -And now, where’s your great Obama? How come we’re not celebrating V-A or V-I Day parades down the “Canyon of Heroes” in NY City? HUH? I ask you again, HUH?!?!?!?!?!

    As for Kucinich, listen Dennis, I love you, but sometimes, STFU! When they’re talking about the leftie fringe, they mean you and some of the bloggers and commenters in the inter-tubes.

    I wish the Libyan people all the luck in the world, they’re going to need it – because you know the oil and finance “Shock Doctrine” wolves are sharpening their claws and fangs. ‘All the better to eat you, my Dears!’

  3. moonbat  •  Aug 24, 2011 @1:10 pm

    Republicans are like little children. They need pageantry, some sort of display for something to be deemed real. Mere facts don’t do it. And they are likewise fooled by pageantry and stagecraft. And there’s the whole planting a flag somewhere – to “prove” that We Rule – even though this creates a worse mess.

  4. erinyes  •  Aug 24, 2011 @8:21 pm

    ‘Gulag, you are not “a” prince, you are “THE” prince!
    But Felicity, seriously, wasn’t Dubya HOT in his flight suit, helmet in hand, strutting like a banty rooster?
    (just kidding…..)