Veep Debate Live Blog

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Mittens, Obama-Biden

I refuse to listen to the pre-debate commentary on teevee, but you can begin commenting here if you like. I’ll start the live blog at 9 o’clock.

* Well, it’s 9 o’clock. Wish us luck.

* Joe Biden says the last thing we need is another war.

* There’s a split screen on MSNBC that shows Biden reacting to Ryan.

* I want Biden to call Ryan out for saying anyone is “apologizing for our values.”

* There is no subsidy of abortion in Obamacare.

* Well, Ryan was clear about something. He wants to criminalize abortion.

* Ryan is anti-abortion because of reason and science?

* I think Joe is doing well so far. I like the question to Ryan, how will you change minds in two months.

* 47 PERCENT! Joe got it in!

Sic ’em, Joe. He’s on a roll.

Ryan is saying the economy is getting worse, and I don’t think that’s what people are feeling now.

Is Ryan even making sense now?

*Show me a policy!

WE DIDN’T SPEND MONEY ON ELECTRIC CARS IN FINLAND!

No, Social Security is not going bankrupt.

Sorry I’m not posting; I’m having a good time watching this.

Privatizing social security!

Who do you trust.

Oh, is Ryan leaving himself open.

No, he doesn’t have the specifics. He has a framework, no details.

Push him on the math.

How is American foreign policy “unraveling”? Does it seem that way?

Ryan is smacked down on Afghanistan.

Ryan is not making sense. We’re supposed to work with our allies but he doesn’t want to wait for allies.

If we don’t get to women’s issues there is going to be a of griping, but that would be the moderator’s fault.

Ah ha! abortion!

Joe said “forcible rape.”

47 PERCENT!

Ryan has been neither a convincing wonk nor a convincing salesman. He comes across as a callow little twerp.

Well, Chris Matthews is happy. Should everybody be happy?

* Twitter is alight with calls for Martha Raddatz to take over Meet the Press. And with that I will sign off for the night. See you tomorrow!

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  1. moonbat  •  Oct 12, 2012 @12:03 am

    Laughing Joe Steals the Show:

    Big Bird has a new replacement, and his name is “Laughing Joe.”

    Vice President Joe Biden’s chuckles, sighs and interruptions during the first and only vice presidential debate with Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., took off on the Internet during the debate.

    Within minutes, a new @LaughinJoeBiden Twitter handle emerged and it added hundreds of followers every minute.

    By an hour into the debate, more than 4,700 users followed the parody account which tweeted out photos and animated gifs of Biden’s laugh, punctuated by “lol.”…

    I’ve been so sick of wingnuts making fun of Biden over the years – glad to see he got the last laugh.

  2. c u n d gulag  •  Oct 12, 2012 @6:40 am

    Joe was GREAT!
    But Ryan didn’t have an epic meltdown. He stuck to his script, and didn’t do himself or Romney any great harm.

    I think both sides will think their candidate won.
    Joe was fiesty and detailed. Paulie was dreamy, repetative, and vague.

    But the real winner was Martha Raddatz. She was great!

    You want to make the Sunday gabfests relevant again?
    Give Martha ABC’s Sunday gabfest, and have Rachel Maddow get Meet the Press. And find someone to replace General Robert E. Lee’s military correspondent Bob Schieffer on CBS. Maybe they can get Chris Hayes to come over from MSNBC.

    This way, Shieffer can go to the Old Reporters Home and interview the retirees, George Vowel-a-lot-alous can keep interviewing vacuous celebrities in the morning, and Disco Dancin’ Dave Gregory can get the job he was born for: announcing the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show – where his greatest weakness wouldn’t be so evident, since no one would expect him to ask follow-up questions of the canine winners and losers.

  3. erinyes  •  Oct 12, 2012 @7:08 am

    Great summary, ‘Gulag.
    More likely Ryan will be locked in the trunk & the tail pipe re-routed.

  4. c u n d gulag  •  Oct 12, 2012 @7:41 am

    erinyes,
    Biden SOOOOOOOO destroyed Paulie last night, that I think Mitt is calling his Mormons together to get ready to start baptizing his poor running mate.

  5. c u n d gulag  •  Oct 12, 2012 @7:51 am

    Biden v. Ryan also reminded me of Hawkeye v. Frank in M.A.S.H.

  6. joanr16  •  Oct 12, 2012 @8:50 am

    Hawkeye v. Frank

    Yes! Excellent! And, sometimes, Col. Potter v Frank, although Biden was rarely that sanguine.

    Of course, the MSM will end up calling this one a “tie.”

  7. c u n d gulag  •  Oct 12, 2012 @8:53 am

    Also too – Biden used the term “my friend here,” kind of like Southerners use “Well, bless your soul,” as the lead in to the knife thrust through the heart.

  8. c u n d gulag  •  Oct 12, 2012 @8:57 am

    joan,
    Cup O’ Schmoe and crew are doing their best.
    It really is masterful. It is THE show to watch to see what the Villagers are babbling and gossiping about today.

    And about a half hour ago, Joe brought in “my friend here,” Joe Klein, and, “bless his heart,” he went right for the ‘both sides won and both sides lost’ which is the default position of all DC Villagers as soon as they’ve had hit “Restart” by drinking their morning’s first cup of coffee.

  9. erinyes  •  Oct 12, 2012 @8:58 am

    Biden IS a strong closer; Ryan? Not so much.
    God, it was like watching a favorite uncle tear down the town chump-assed punk.

  10. joanr16  •  Oct 12, 2012 @8:58 am

    My sister-in-law used to have a standup routine (for real; she used to do standup), about her aunt’s passive-aggressive saying: “God love him.” Yeah, God love ya, Paulie! And another one: You’re a piece of work, son.

  11. joanr16  •  Oct 12, 2012 @9:01 am

    Gulag, CNN leads with: “Well, call it a draw.”

    Dear Jeebus, I hates me some CNN. How do they not snap their necks clean in two, playing both sides against the middle like that?

  12. moonbat  •  Oct 12, 2012 @9:13 am

    Ryan didn’t have a meltdown, so in the MSM’s mind, it’s a tie.

    Hawkeye vs Frank – I read an interview of the late, great Larry Linville (actor who played Frank Burns). He said “it’s a lot of work to play an idiot”. Ryan’s a natural at it.

  13. c u n d gulag  •  Oct 12, 2012 @9:19 am

    CNN takes no stances – and all stances.
    It is the “Cowardly News Network.”

    I have more respect for FOX.
    Sure, they look at politics through their own particular pair of beer goggles, but that’s better than the Cowardly News Network, CNN, which puts on blinders that don’t let them see the whole picture, it only lets them see things through the DC Villager lenses of “both sides… blah-dee-blah-blah-blah.”

    Somewhere, Ted Turner is hoping someone kills him soon, just so he can spin in his grave 24 X 7 X 365, like the network he created spins horsesh*t out of horse race results.

  14. Swami  •  Oct 12, 2012 @9:38 am

    Paulie’s we don’t want the enemy to know when we’re leaving Afghanistan statement was beyond lame..That is so played out.!The Taliban was there before we got there, and will be there after we’re gone.

  15. c u n d gulag  •  Oct 12, 2012 @9:45 am

    There were SOOOO many great moments.

    Like when Paulie said Mitt was a ‘car guy!”

    Biden could have said, “Yeah, if you say so. But if he really was a ‘car guy,’ wouldn’t he have been more interested in rebuilding Detroit, than in putting elevators for cars in his newest mansion?”

  16. erinyes  •  Oct 12, 2012 @9:50 am

    So right, Swami; we can’t let the “taliban” know our plans.
    The headline should read “old hand spanks young gun”; shit, I’m 58 and my “guns” make his look sad….

  17. c u n d gulag  •  Oct 12, 2012 @11:02 am

    From the indispensable Charles Pierce – the definitive take-down of Paulie:

    http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/paul-ryan-debate-joe-biden-13626962

    And Mr. Pierce’s final lines will not be topped for a long, long, time.
    And then, it will only be done by him.

  18. c u n d gulag  •  Oct 12, 2012 @11:07 am

    erinyes,
    My favorite part of the picture is of Paulies stork-legs.

    Looks like he only wanted to get the upper-body DVD of that workout program, and cancelled out on the rest – but still got to keep the gifts that came with ordering it: a tube of ‘Man-tan” and a cheap baseball cap, with the sissy-band head-size adjustor, and not pre-sized, like the ones we manly-men wear.

  19. biggerbox  •  Oct 12, 2012 @11:58 am

    Well, the morning coverage on Nice Polite Republican radio was arranged to make it seem like a draw, with a lot of emphasis on where Biden didn’t do so well, and carefully avoided mention of Ryan’s mistakes. My favorite circumlocution was when a correspondent couldn’t just come out and say that YES Ryan was wrong. “The answer is not no,” she said as she quickly moved on.

  20. c u n d gulag  •  Oct 12, 2012 @12:20 pm

    One last thing before everyone gets tired of my input:

    Paulie showed his sociopathic quality in one particular moment.

    It was when he was trying to think of an empathetic story to tell about his fellow sociopath, Mitt.
    And, there he is sitting across from Joe Biden, and what pops into his head? He tells some story about how kind Mitt was to some family in his church who lost family members IN A CAR ACCIDENT!
    HE TELLS THAT STORY IN FRONT OF POOR JOE BIDEN!
    Joe Biden?
    Joe Biden, who lost his wife and daughter in a car accident when Paulie was still in shorts, and his father showing him how to shove firecrackers up frogs asses, to get a laugh out of his “serious little feller?”
    Did he do that by accident?
    Some weird cognitive connection?
    Or, did he mention that story to throw Joe off his game?

    Either way, it’s like sitting across from Jackie Kennedy and tellling her about how a friend of friend got shot in in the head in a case of road rage down in Texas.

    What, no stories of compassionate Mitt with a person from church with cancer, so he has to fall back on some fatal car accident?
    WTF?!?!?!

  21. joanr16  •  Oct 12, 2012 @1:05 pm

    He tells some story about how kind Mitt was to some family in his church who lost family members IN A CAR ACCIDENT! HE TELLS THAT STORY IN FRONT OF POOR JOE BIDEN!

    Yeah, and worse still, Ryan’s tragedy also happened at Christmastime, just like the Bidens’ car accident. My jaw dropped in that moment also (see 9:28 pm comment above). I thought, Is it possible Ryan has never heard about the Bidens’ tragedy? Or is he just stupid?

    I guess there’s stupid as in not knowing that the Earth revolves around the Sun, and then there’s a kind of emotional stupidity where one doesn’t understand how one’s words or actions can inflict pain on others. I sensed a lot of the latter coming off Ryan last night. Unlike Sarah Palin or George W. Bush, he can feign verbal intelligence. But his emotional intelligence is nil. His “bean” story about abortion struck me as another glaring example. It was so pointless, considering it was meant to justify a governmental imposition of religion that will claim women’s lives. Apparently Ryan intended to strike a sentimental chord, but ended up just sounding self-centered and insensitive.

  22. joanr16  •  Oct 12, 2012 @1:09 pm

    it’s like sitting across from Jackie Kennedy and tellling her about how a friend of friend got shot in in the head

    (When my comment about the Biden accident gets out of moderation, you can read that too….)

    I’m reminded of a story Carly Simon once told, about how she unthinkingly asked Jackie if she’d seen Oliver Stone’s film JFK, and then immediately wanted to vanish into a hole in the ground.

  23. joanr16  •  Oct 12, 2012 @1:11 pm

    OK, I now have two comments stuck in penalty box. They’re great comments. Just sayin’.

  24. moonbat  •  Oct 12, 2012 @1:33 pm

    I’m certain Ryan knew about Biden’s particular tragedy. If he didn’t – he had pretty lousy coaching. What I don’t know is, whether this was an attempt to unhinge Joe, or whether it was just the kind of thing (like the Carly Simon/Jackie Kennedy) that pops out of one’s head under stress.

  25. Porlock Junior  •  Oct 12, 2012 @3:03 pm

    @ c u n d–

    “…to throw Joe off his game?”

    Now THAT is almost the funniest thing you’ve said here! What’s worse, it could well be true.

    What with two Irish Catholics on stage, this reminds me of the time James Thurber heard a rendition of “Molly Malone” on the radio one Saint Patrick’s day — and it was cleaned up with a happy ending.

    On reflection he decided that it was a misguided effort not to dampen the spirits of the Irish on St Patrick’s day. A colleague (a Mr Sullivan? I forget) set him straight: Nothing can dampen the spirits of the Irish on St Patrick’s Day.



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