I didn’t get to watch, but I just read Josh Marshall’s rundown on what we know and what we don’t. See also Martin Longman’s look at why the Republicans at the hearings were obsessing over Michael Flynn.
I watched much of the hearing w/ Comey. In many ways, I’m not sure why the committee invited Comey and NSA Director Roberts – both guys made it clear they wouldn’t divulge anything secret in a public meeting. So for a lot of the questions that the democrats on the panel asked about how direct Trump’s role in treason is, they got- “No Comment”. The republicans were just as eager to know who the suspects were that leaked the true information about Flynn. The republicans were not too concerned about what Flynn did – but they were outraged that his privacy had been violated. Regarding the status of any investigations of the leaker(s) – the GOP got, “No Comment”. SO there was a whole lotta speechifying done by both sides for damn little disclosure by either of the panelists.
There was also no mention of the 1st Amendment, but there was speculation about going after the news media that prints the truth about what officials are doing if that conduct has been stamped “Classified”.
Missing in almost all of the narrative is the timeline that I think explains the leaks. The Intell community let Trump know two weeks before Flynn stepped down that there was a potentially criminal violation in the contact. Trump did nothing. Some of the story leaked after a few days had passed, and Flynn lied, to the VP, who stuck his neck out to defend Flynn, possibly in the dark if in fact Trump never filled the VP in on what the FBI/NSA had told him. When it became obvious that Trump intended that nothing would be done about the illegal contact and promise made by Flynn, the transcript of the conversation was leaked. There wasn’t just one person in the know who confirmed the report – as I heard the number, there were 9 people who confirmed. The VP found out how badly he’d been played and didn’t like it. He’s the closest thing the WH has to a competent pro with gov’t experience and he discovered he doesn’t have a clue what’s going on.
Trump doesn’t have a leak – he’s hit a freekin’ iceberg.
I don’t expect to live long enough to hear the truth, but I suspect the leakers were authorized by one or both of the men sitting at the table before the committee today.
I think it’s the beginning of the end for Trump. I came away with a sense that Flynn and Carter Page are going down. Mike Rogers made a statement saying that if an American entity was inadvertently caught up in the surveillance of a foreign national they would be assessed for the nature of the communication, and if it was of an innocent nature the record of that communication would be eliminated. So whatever Flynn discussed with the Russian Ambassador caused the NSA to retain that communication and pursue further into Flynn’s activities. Not good at all for Flynn.
And somebody, I think Congressman Schiff mentioned the fact that Carter Page announced two days prior to Wikileaks release of Podesta’s emails that the release would be coming …Wikileaks is considered an enemy of the United States and is also seen as a tool of the Russians in attacking our nation and our democracy.
Regardless of what we didn’t get in the way of information. We got the knowledge that however this shakes out it is in the public domain and can’t be swept under the rug. The truth will come out.
I see Flynn as treasonous. That might not have been his intention but circumstances got out of his control. He got too comfortable with power and position.
Ok listen….Pence was not “played”. That is total bs. He was notified by the Justice dept, as head of the transition team, that there was a potential problem with flynn needing to register as a foreign agent. So for him to claim he knew flynn was no good is just dishonest.As head of the transition team he was responsible for vetting. He knew.
Justme – I’m tolerant opinions but you state things as facts which are not in evidence. Where is the report that Pence was informed. Where is the report that Pence was informed in advance that Flynn was working as a foreign agent?
I was mistaken in saying it was Carter Page who had fore knowledge of Podesta’s hacked emails being released. It was Roger Stone. How he came to that knowledge, and how he handled that knowledge raises some very serious questions about his connection to criminal activity and collusion with the Russians.
I noticed the little pinhead Trey Gowdy nipping at the heels of Comey and Rodgers trying to showcase his superb legal prowess.. I couldn’t help but think..What ever happened to his Benghazi investigation? Did he conclude his profoundly thorough investigation with a final report? What a waste of taxpayer dollars he is. He’s a little turd!
About that pinhead, Rep. Trey Gowdy (R – Sibling-Schtupp; probably better known as the banjo-playin’ inbred in “Deliverance”), he was only doing his job, which he sees as trying to blow smoke up the FBI’s and NSA’s asses, to misdirect them away from t-RUMPLE-Thin-Skin, himself and his fellow Republicans, and hopefully plant the seeds that it was Obama and his adminisration that leaked, and was treasonous.
The one thing that I saw that really concerned me – no, PISSED ME OFF – was that the Republicans are looking to throw journalists in jail for doing their jobs.
You can’t do your own, Congresscritters, so leave others to do theirs – AND, at the same time do YOURS. Sure, you chased Clinton’s ding-dong for over 20 years now, and then, in order to try to ruin her coming Presidential run, how Hillary’s behaviour during Benghazi was far worse than even Benedict Arnold’s; but you don’t investigate what really needs investigation:
From Reagan’s and “Papa Doc” Bush’s Iran-Contra mess – far, far worse than even Watergate,
To W’s and Dicks many war crimes.
To a whole list that’s too long to name, with boring everyone even more.
Doug….Rachel Maddow reported it. The DOJ told him months before that it was a problem. Please….look it up…don’t take my word for it.
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