Maybe she’ll tell Saint Peter to go back to Germany or Poland.
Maybe she’ll tell Saint Peter to go back to Germany or Poland.
Maybe I’ll tell you to either get some class or return to whatever hole you crawled out of. Remark not appreciated.
And I’m sure he doesn’t need telling, but she’ll gladly remind him that no one from FOX “News” needs to ever do any interviews in Heaven.
And that they should stick to probing Satan – when he and his incubi and sucubi aren’t probing them, that is – which might be a first, since they never questioned either Murdoch or Ailes, Satan’s agents in America.
R.I.P. Ms. Helen Thomas.
YA DONE GOOD!!!
And RIP to tough, ballsy, journalism – since there’s only a handful of that type of journalists left, now that she’s gone.
Stenographers, we have plenty of. REAL journalists? Eh, not so much…
I’m sorry to have offended, but I feel no obligation to conform to your notion of “class” upon the demise of a public figure who was, in my opinion, a nasty old bigot.
You know, there is never a reason to put down a person someone else likes. Never. If someone tells you that they like a person, and you don’t like that person, just say nothing. It’s very easy to do that. You don’t say anything.
Somehow, I don’t think we should hold one intemperate remark by someone who was around 90 when she said it, above the body of work she did before that remark.
Maybe it’s just me, and I’m kind of funny that way…
Believe me, there are plenty of people whose entire lives were/are far worse than her comment. And a lot of them have front-row seats in our MSM, on TV, radio, and in print.
I suppose “intemperate” is one word for it. Actually, she had a lot to say about Jews “owning” the US government, financial markets, etc.
“It’s real power when you own the White House, when you own these other places in terms of your political persuasion. Of course they have power. You don’t deny that. You’re Jewish, aren’t you?” –Thomas, channeling Mel Gibson in a 2010 interview with Playboy.
Yes, because we should never cut anybody any slack for the other 80 some-odd years of mostly good deeds, if they say something bigoted and stupid when they’re approaching 90.
If she had them, then she proved that senility and dementia take all forms – not all of them, silent.
And if it wasn’t senility or dementia, then it was just something bigoted and stupid an older person said. Nothing new under the sun…
Let’s make a deal:
You choose to remember her for her last remarks, and I’ll choose to remember the rest of her groundbreaking life.
Deal?
I had no problem understanding Helen Thomas’s remark. Maybe it was a little too broad a comment to hold true in every context, but looking at it through the lens of history and a filter of justice it hit the mark of truth. Color me an anti Semite also if agreement is the criteria of judgment.
We all find our own truth.. just like I agree that Ann Romney never worked a day in her life ( when viewed in the intended context).
Of course you are entitled to remember whatever you wish. Thomas was a great reporter, but I don’t think her mean-spirited bigotry (which I would not attribute to senility or dementia, as she seemed quite sharp) should be forgotten in the rush to canonize her.
Of course you are entitled to remember whatever you wish
I’m also entitled to blacklist people who leave comments that annoy me, because it’s my blog and I pay for the bandwidth. So watch yourself.
I’m not canonizing her.
I’m placing what she did towards the end of her life, in the context of the whole life.
Look, we’re all human beings, which means that most of us have said or done something remarkably stupid.
I wouldn’t want to be remembered for mine.
And yes, it would be nice if we thought about that before we said or did something remarkably stupid, but most of us lack that ability, and utter or do it anyway.
What matters most, is which way the teeter totters. One stupid thing shouldn’t outweigh a career.
And her life, at least to me, seems to teeter a lot more towards justice and fairness, than intolerance and bigotry.
LBJ used the “N-word” his entire life as if it was a punctuation mark, and that didn’t stop him from signing the CRA’s.
It meant he was a flawed man who, towards the end, realized the error of his ways.
Helen Thomas had an exemplary, groundbreaking career, and towards the end, uttered something totally intolerant. That was not the sum of her life. It was a factor in the equation. And while I’m not overlooking it, I’m not exactly dwelling on it, either.
And if that’s canonizing her, then I’m guilty.
Yeah, perspective! For instance, I got really ticked with Mother Nature for providing that beautiful sunset for President Reagan’s final AF1 photo op trip to California, till I remembered the poet who pointed out that all the world is the tomb of each of us. At the very least, Helen Thomas very insistently asked hard questions, and few today dare rise to her level of challenging questions. And you don’t have to be an anti-Semite to recognize problems in the Israeli-Arab world as going both ways, just informed.
@Bill Bush — I understand (without agreeing with) c u n d gulag’s position that Thomas’ remarks about Jews, though obviously stupid and bigoted, should not sully her memory in view of her many achievements and her advanced age at the time of the remarks. I don’t begin to understand construing those remarks as merely “recogniz[ing] problems in the Israeli-Arab world as going both ways.” Honestly, what are you talking about?
Indeed you are. Guess life is full of risk. 🙂
In all sincerity, I would prefer not to be blacklisted, as I like your blog, have admired you for years, and occasionally feel I have something to say here. But I gotta be me, and I stand by all my comments. Have a nice evening.
Ya know, Gator90, perhaps you’re just ignorant; Thomas DARED to speak truth to the owners. They didn’t like it; branded her an anti-Semite. She called out the neocon Jews who lied us into the war in Iraq to protect Israeli interests. So FU and the lame ass horse you rode on. The truth is the truth. When both houses clap their hands with gusto like trained seals whenever Israel is mentioned, but can’t agree on anything else, we have a major problem. Helen Thomas got fired for her splendid observation. Amen!
Yes, it was Jews who lied us into war in Iraq. The gentiles Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rice and Rumsfeld had nothing to do with it. (Lemme guess, the latter five were just puppets of the all-powerful Jews….)
Every time I look around,
Every time I look around, Every time I look around, it’s in my face……
Hey gator;you’re trying to get me to say something rude, dude. Go away.
I don’t play that.
erinyes..I hear ya.. We’re seeing the same thing. Even Obama took the oath of fealty.
Maybe an analogy to the survival of American politicians in speaking out about Israel would be the same as an inmate at Auschwitz speaking out about unsatisfactory housing and food accommodations to the camp commandant .. Like poof.. you’re gone!
Maybe she’ll tell Saint Peter to go back to Germany or Poland.
Maybe I’ll tell you to either get some class or return to whatever hole you crawled out of. Remark not appreciated.
And I’m sure he doesn’t need telling, but she’ll gladly remind him that no one from FOX “News” needs to ever do any interviews in Heaven.
And that they should stick to probing Satan – when he and his incubi and sucubi aren’t probing them, that is – which might be a first, since they never questioned either Murdoch or Ailes, Satan’s agents in America.
R.I.P. Ms. Helen Thomas.
YA DONE GOOD!!!
And RIP to tough, ballsy, journalism – since there’s only a handful of that type of journalists left, now that she’s gone.
Stenographers, we have plenty of. REAL journalists? Eh, not so much…
I’m sorry to have offended, but I feel no obligation to conform to your notion of “class” upon the demise of a public figure who was, in my opinion, a nasty old bigot.
You know, there is never a reason to put down a person someone else likes. Never. If someone tells you that they like a person, and you don’t like that person, just say nothing. It’s very easy to do that. You don’t say anything.
Somehow, I don’t think we should hold one intemperate remark by someone who was around 90 when she said it, above the body of work she did before that remark.
Maybe it’s just me, and I’m kind of funny that way…
Believe me, there are plenty of people whose entire lives were/are far worse than her comment. And a lot of them have front-row seats in our MSM, on TV, radio, and in print.
I suppose “intemperate” is one word for it. Actually, she had a lot to say about Jews “owning” the US government, financial markets, etc.
“It’s real power when you own the White House, when you own these other places in terms of your political persuasion. Of course they have power. You don’t deny that. You’re Jewish, aren’t you?” –Thomas, channeling Mel Gibson in a 2010 interview with Playboy.
Yes, because we should never cut anybody any slack for the other 80 some-odd years of mostly good deeds, if they say something bigoted and stupid when they’re approaching 90.
If she had them, then she proved that senility and dementia take all forms – not all of them, silent.
And if it wasn’t senility or dementia, then it was just something bigoted and stupid an older person said. Nothing new under the sun…
Let’s make a deal:
You choose to remember her for her last remarks, and I’ll choose to remember the rest of her groundbreaking life.
Deal?
I had no problem understanding Helen Thomas’s remark. Maybe it was a little too broad a comment to hold true in every context, but looking at it through the lens of history and a filter of justice it hit the mark of truth. Color me an anti Semite also if agreement is the criteria of judgment.
We all find our own truth.. just like I agree that Ann Romney never worked a day in her life ( when viewed in the intended context).
Of course you are entitled to remember whatever you wish. Thomas was a great reporter, but I don’t think her mean-spirited bigotry (which I would not attribute to senility or dementia, as she seemed quite sharp) should be forgotten in the rush to canonize her.
I’m also entitled to blacklist people who leave comments that annoy me, because it’s my blog and I pay for the bandwidth. So watch yourself.
I’m not canonizing her.
I’m placing what she did towards the end of her life, in the context of the whole life.
Look, we’re all human beings, which means that most of us have said or done something remarkably stupid.
I wouldn’t want to be remembered for mine.
And yes, it would be nice if we thought about that before we said or did something remarkably stupid, but most of us lack that ability, and utter or do it anyway.
What matters most, is which way the teeter totters. One stupid thing shouldn’t outweigh a career.
And her life, at least to me, seems to teeter a lot more towards justice and fairness, than intolerance and bigotry.
LBJ used the “N-word” his entire life as if it was a punctuation mark, and that didn’t stop him from signing the CRA’s.
It meant he was a flawed man who, towards the end, realized the error of his ways.
Helen Thomas had an exemplary, groundbreaking career, and towards the end, uttered something totally intolerant. That was not the sum of her life. It was a factor in the equation. And while I’m not overlooking it, I’m not exactly dwelling on it, either.
And if that’s canonizing her, then I’m guilty.
Yeah, perspective! For instance, I got really ticked with Mother Nature for providing that beautiful sunset for President Reagan’s final AF1 photo op trip to California, till I remembered the poet who pointed out that all the world is the tomb of each of us. At the very least, Helen Thomas very insistently asked hard questions, and few today dare rise to her level of challenging questions. And you don’t have to be an anti-Semite to recognize problems in the Israeli-Arab world as going both ways, just informed.
@Bill Bush — I understand (without agreeing with) c u n d gulag’s position that Thomas’ remarks about Jews, though obviously stupid and bigoted, should not sully her memory in view of her many achievements and her advanced age at the time of the remarks. I don’t begin to understand construing those remarks as merely “recogniz[ing] problems in the Israeli-Arab world as going both ways.” Honestly, what are you talking about?
Indeed you are. Guess life is full of risk. 🙂
In all sincerity, I would prefer not to be blacklisted, as I like your blog, have admired you for years, and occasionally feel I have something to say here. But I gotta be me, and I stand by all my comments. Have a nice evening.
Ya know, Gator90, perhaps you’re just ignorant; Thomas DARED to speak truth to the owners. They didn’t like it; branded her an anti-Semite. She called out the neocon Jews who lied us into the war in Iraq to protect Israeli interests. So FU and the lame ass horse you rode on. The truth is the truth. When both houses clap their hands with gusto like trained seals whenever Israel is mentioned, but can’t agree on anything else, we have a major problem. Helen Thomas got fired for her splendid observation. Amen!
Yes, it was Jews who lied us into war in Iraq. The gentiles Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rice and Rumsfeld had nothing to do with it. (Lemme guess, the latter five were just puppets of the all-powerful Jews….)
Every time I look around,
Every time I look around, Every time I look around, it’s in my face……
Hey gator;you’re trying to get me to say something rude, dude. Go away.
I don’t play that.
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/eric-margolis/50737/the-road-to-nowhere-kerrys-mideast-journey
erinyes..I hear ya.. We’re seeing the same thing. Even Obama took the oath of fealty.
Maybe an analogy to the survival of American politicians in speaking out about Israel would be the same as an inmate at Auschwitz speaking out about unsatisfactory housing and food accommodations to the camp commandant .. Like poof.. you’re gone!
[Stop now. — B.]