Many opponents of the Park51 center being built on Park Place say they wouldn’t object to it if were further away from the old World Trade Center site. But apparently Murfreesboro, Tennesse, isn’t far enough away, either. Alaska? No, forget Alaska. Maybe Hawaii. Maybe Mongolia.
The question is, why is so much raw bigotry erupting now, nine years after the terrorist attacks? Not that there haven’t been examples of it all along, but not as much as now.
And the obvious answer is that until recently, or at least until Barack Obama became president, it wasn’t really all that useful to conservatives and the Republican Party to whip up the sheep into rage about Islam. But now it’s very useful, so they’re doing it. They’re probably slapping themselves for not having gotten the anti-Muslim propaganda cranking at full speed a lot sooner, like about May 2008.
Oh, they tried starting to go down that route, but I think cooler heads prevailed.
I’m not sure, but it may actually have been the Bush people who tried to calm things down. They never saw any advantage in creating a Holy War with Islam, political, or otherwise. Maybe it was the House of Saud that told them they’d better keep the crazies under wraps.
Whodathunkit, that less than 2 years later, Bush looks like an absolute moderate compared to the crazies that have suddenly come out of their attics? And it’s not just self-serving crazies like Pam Geller, it’s people running for State and National offices.
PS: Karen Hughes article is a piece of s**t! But then again, what else would an asshole produce?
The Bush family has been doing business with many Saudis for years, long before Dubya became president. They’d been doing business with members of the bin Laden family, remember, and I understand the old man knows the Saudi royal family pretty well. I assume junior understood that not all Muslims were crazy jihadists. At the very least, whipping up anti-Muslim sentiment might be bad for business. But now that he’s not being invited to Republican parties, maybe junior lacks the moral courage to buck the herd, so to speak.
I think the war on terra is going to the back burners on the national stage, so the Neocons need a pep rally of sorts to reinvigorate their troops. There’s still milk in the 9/11 cow! Maybe Rudy’s teat had dried up for him, but some of them are still producing.
maha took the words right out of the pre-vocalization part of the brain:
the difference is:
1. when the bush klaque ruled, and because of their bidness ties to various mooselimbs, they tamped down the anti-mooselimb backlash; surprisingly enough, given their generally extreme anti-barbarian positions… (it was NOT because boy george is a paragon of tolerance and virtue, it was simply a bidness decision based on who many of his criminal family partners with…)
2. besides saint obama’s relatively weak defense of -you know- normal (non-terrorist) mooselimbs, the bush krewe don’t need the cover any more, so it is open season on mooselimbs, as far as making political hay among the ascairt sheeple…
in short, the infotainment/propaganda machine is working exactly as intended: distract with circus, dismiss with derision, and demand principles from adversaries when you have none…
aka ann archy
Glenn Beck caught changing his tune after 4 years:
maha – Kevin Phillips in his book “American Dynasty – Aristocracy, Fortune, and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush” says that the Saudi royal family is an “extended family” of the Bush family and vice versa.
(Years ago, binLaden junior launched a campaign against the Saudi royals accusing them of allowing the ‘sacred’ ground of Saudi Arabia, home of Mecca and Medina, to be defiled by the heavy presence of Americans whom junior labeled ‘infidels.’
The royals kicked junior out. He fled to the Sudan. They kicked him out and he ended up in Afghanistan.)
Back to the point – for Bush to dis Muslims he would be dissing members of his own family – so to speak, not to mention that the Saudi royals own a helluvalot of oil and the Bush men are oil men.
I think what really encapsulates this is that a black guy who is a Christian was recently chased away because he had a skull cap on, and that the police had to rescue to COPTIC CHRISTIANS who flew to NYC from EGYPT to JOIN THE PROTESTS. Wallbanger. Pure and simple.
The ground has been ready all along. My reactionary relatives started forwarding me increasingly bigoted emails within a few months of the 9/11 attacks.
There’s no doubt that it’s the election of the black buy to be president that has opened the door to so much overt and covert racism of all stripes. The talk of “Take back America”, from what, the democratically elected president? No, take back America from the black guy. I’m actually surprised, though I know I shouldn’t be. The siren song coming from the Republicans is disgusting, but many people are hearing it and agreeing with it.
Barbara, you are totally right, as usual. I feel as if you are speaking for me.
“The question is, why is so much raw bigotry erupting now, nine years after the terrorist attacks? Not that there haven’t been examples of it all along, but not as much as now”
Cause when the neoconsuperfratboy’s where in charge we had two wars without end in Muslim countries, they couldn’t bash the rag-heads too much since we where spending trillions saving the “moderate” Muslims from the “terrorists”. Now that one war is ending and tother one has an expiration date the dimwitted teabaggers are safe to fire up the hate machine without adversely affecting the Carlyle groups portfolio, simple isn’t it. That dang-on religion, it makes the game of life nothing more than a chess match, the greatest form of crowd control ever devised by mankind!
The far right has managed to alienate blacks, Hispanics, immigrants and Muslims. As the GOP morphs into the Grumpy Old (white) Party, I’m starting to feel a little better about the Democrats prospects come November.
maybe OUTER Mongolia…
I got the “but not right across the street” nonsense from my in-laws. They were so indignant and equally certain. The fact that it was not “right across the street” did not seem to enter into the argument that it should not be “right across the street”…clearly an argument that could never be won, just as all arguments with those to whom facts don’t matter.
They’re like little children who are incapable of an honest debate. Polls have been taken and a large portion of the opposition thinks there should not be a mosque ANYWHERE. …that was somewhere in the 30-40% vicinity.
Evidently that pesky freedom of religion business doesn’t sit well with them.
They perceive their own personal loss in hard economic times as the collective loss of the white race. The only palatable explanation is that change has been brought about by unfair means. Ethnic rallying cries are attempts to amass large and larger numbers of the disaffected using scapegoats, idiotic arguments and whatever else they can leverage to scare others and whip them into a frenzy.
Most of them probably didn’t even like New York until they figured they could use the Park 51 Center to keep the embers of their righteous indignation glowing.
Who’d a thunk, the Elder Statesman of the dimwitted-teabagger movement has spoke, and he is actually making some sense. How will the marauding christian bigots resolve their hate for Islam with their hate for the Gubmint. They have some choosin to do. I predict they will choose both, why compromise when you really have nothing to lose, not when the Lord is on your side!
“The justification to ban the mosque is no more rational than banning a soccer field in the same place because all the suicide bombers loved to play soccer” Ron Paul 8-20-10
Wow I’ve never heard it put that way, excellent! If only Paul wanted to improve government instead of destroying it, he just might have a chance of making a positive difference. I’d never heard of his rational position until today? I guess my boycott of cable news (2-days so far) has me a bit out of touch!
uncledad …Beware of strange Geeks bearing gifts.
Conservatives are once again, unfortunately, failing to defend private property rights, a policy we claim to cherish. In addition conservatives missed a chance to challenge the hypocrisy of the left which now claims they defend property rights of Muslims, yet rarely if ever, the property rights of American private businesses.
It’s never been about property rights! Looks to me as a sugar coated jab* to the right with the intention of relieving the pressure of their bigotry.
* “Come, let us reason together!”…to obscure the issue.
uncledad â€¦Beware of strange Geeks bearing gifts.
Thanks I almost fell on it. If you study the bible enough, you’ll find the last page.
I’m curious as to why this gets dam near three million views, what do he have that us folk dont? I never heard one praise, lord, or forgive my soul? But still the guitar flows from somewhere?
Ok OK, as long as god is topic, one last music link. Any of you folk see Harry Shearer’s doc. Not her hometown but in the neighborhood for this artist.
Barbara, did you know that Buddhism has been one of the worst victims of Islam since Islam came to exist?
Islam’s violent history andviolent present are both mind boggling. Check the Thailand entries at that link, and you will find that nearly all of the victims being killed and maimed by Islamic terrorists in Thailand are Buddhists. Here is why: “Muslim rebels seeking secession from predominantly Buddhist Thailand.“, Two killed, five wounded in Thai south unrest, 23 Aug 2010 09:31:50 GMT, Reuters, and that’s how Islam operates. Divide, kill, kill, divide…
If there was a cult, over half of whose doctrinal text preached violence against the non-followers of the cult, no sane person or culture would tolerate such a cult. Islam is simply David Koresh’ Branch Davidian cult multiplied some 10 million times over in size.
No, that doesn’t mean that all Muslims are violent people. But the non-violent Muslims are so in spite of Islam, and most certainly not because of it as the stealth or softcore Islamists would have us believe.
Enough with the voluntary self-dhimmification by the American left. It’s time to get real.
I’m sure I know more about it than you do. However, Islam is not a monolithic religion. It has many different schools that are quite a bit different from each other. The Muslims who want to build a cultural center in Manhattan are Sufis, and I am not aware of any act of violence against Buddhists, or anyone else, committed by Sufis. Please see, for example, “One More Time” and “Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf Is a Sufi.”
FYI, I was in lower Manhattan on 9/11/01, and I assure you I haven’t forgotten a second of it. I also haven’t forgotten that the people who perpetrated the atrocity were fundamentalist Wahabbi Sunnis. If fundamentalist Sunnis wanted to build a center with a Wahhabi school anywhere in New York City, or in the United States for that matter, I’d be deeply concerned. But Sufism has a long history of tolerance to all other religions. It’s very different.
BTW, did you know the Wahhabism movement began a few centuries ago as a backlash to Sufism? And that Sufi mosques and shrines in the Middle East also are frequent targets of terrorist attacks by other Muslims, because jihadists think Sufis are heretics? I bet you didn’t know that.
Further, if we want to go back a bit in history, some of the first European Christians who got to Asia did some pretty horrific things to the Buddhists. I understand there are stories still told in Burma about Europeans, Portuguese I believe, who tossed babies to alligators when their parents wouldn’t convert to Christianity.
I’d vote for the end of the self-dummification by the American Right.
Ron Paul recently laid the recent shit-stirring around the to-build-not-to-build mosque at the feet of the neocons, citing their need to keep the Arab-Muslin-non-Arab-Jewish controversy alive, well and at the fore-front of the nightly news. Makes sense and especially given the pending restart of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks in DC.
GREAT last line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!