What About that Putin-Trump Presser, Eh?

Possibly the dumbest reaction I’ve seen so far of today’s Trump debacle is from Ross Douthat.

While much of the world sputters in outrage and astonishment at Trump’s performance today, others of us are saying yeah, we told you so. He’s a stooge.

Jonathan Swan at Axios:

“I just have no words. As press in this room, we are all sitting in here speechless and stunned. Trump cast doubt over the U.S. intelligence community and endorsed Putin’s denial. Trump was given an opportunity to denounce the meddling and he didn’t; he just pivoted to lines about the missing server and Hillary’s emails. While Putin spoke forcefully, lying, Trump nodded along. There’s no way of sugar coating or spinning this.”

Jonathan Chait, At Summit With Russia, Trump Betrays His Country in Plain Sight

Standing next to Vladimir Putin, after a meeting Putin had requested, President Trump was asked by a reporter if he believed the findings of his own intelligence agencies that Russia had interfered in the 2016 election. He began by floating unfounded accusations that the FBI had ignored his opponent’s misdeeds. Then he proceeded to express his doubts. “All I can do is ask the question,” said Trump. “My people came to me, Dan Coats came to me, they said they think it’s Russia. I have President Putin, he just said it’s not Russia. I’ll say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be.”

Trump told the world he trusts the denial of Russian dictator Vladimir Putin — the very man who did the deed! — over his own government’s intelligence. Trump can’t think of a reason why Putin would have interfered in the election. The fact that Russia has interfered in multiple elections, the fact its propaganda arm had broadcast its preference for Trump, the fact American intelligence concluded Russia intervened, that Robert Mueller has produced multiple indictments detailing evidence of this interference, all mean less to him than Putin’s say-so. Putin admitted at this press conference he wanted Trump to win.

Eric Levitz, Trump Endorses Putin Proposal to Have Russian Operatives Work on Mueller Probe

At the press conference hours later, Trump was asked whether he held “Russia at all accountable” for tensions between Moscow and Washington — and if so, to specify what precisely he held Putin responsible for.

“We have both made some mistakes,” Trump replied. But instead of naming a single, specific mistake that Russia had made (like, say, invading Crimea, or meddling in American and European elections, or, ostensibly, making a habit of launching botched assassination attempts with Soviet-era nerve agents on the streets of the United Kingdom), the president focused on the great mistake that America had made — when it chose to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 election.

“The probe is a disaster for our country,” Trump said. “I think it’s kept us apart, it’s kept us separated. There was no collusion at all. Everybody knows it.”

And yeah, Trump thinks this is a swell idea:

Trump went on to endorse Putin’s idea for how that probe should operate going forward: Russian law enforcement would agree to interrogate the 12 Russians that Mueller had indicted — and allow members of his team to observe those interrogations — in exchange for the United States agreeing to interrogate American intelligence officials whom the Kremlin has accused of committing crimes against Russia (with Russian law enforcement in the room).

Here’s a portion of the actual transcript:

A question for each president; President Trump, you first.

Just now, President Putin denied having anything to do with the election interference in 2016. Every U.S. intelligence agency has concluded that Russia did.

What — who — my first question for you, sir, is who do you believe?

My second question is would you now, with the whole world watching, tell President Putin, would you denounce what happened in 2016 and would you warn him to never do it again?

TRUMP: So let me just say that we have two thoughts. You have groups that are wondering why the FBI never took the server — haven’t they taken the server. Why was the FBI told to leave the office of the Democratic National Committee?

I’ve been wondering that, I’ve been asking that for months and months and I’ve been tweeting it out and calling it out on social media. Where is the server? I want to know where is the server and what is the server saying?

With that being said, all I can do is ask the question. My people came to me, Dan Coates came to me and some others, they said they think it’s Russia. I have President Putin; he just said it’s not Russia.

I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be. But I really do want to see the server.

But I have — I have confidence in both parties. I — I really believe that this will probably go on for a while, but I don’t think it can go on without finding out what happened to the server. What happened to the servers of the Pakistani gentleman that worked on the DNC? Where are those servers? They’re missing; where are they? What happened to Hillary Clinton’s e-mails? 33,000 e-mails gone — just gone. I think in Russia they wouldn’t be gone so easily. I think it’s a disgrace that we can’t get Hillary Clinton’s 33,000 e-mails.

So I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today.

And what he did is an incredible offer. He offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators with respect to the 12 people. I think that’s an incredible offer. OK?

The DNC servers were never missing, and I would point out that whatever might have been in Hillary Clinton’s emails doesn’t excuse Trump’s failure to defend the United States.

Paul Waldman, For Republicans, Russian sabotage of our elections is no big deal:

When it comes to Republicans, we’re faced with two related issues. First, there are members of their party who actively benefited from Russian manipulation of our election, and even sought out help that turned out to come from Russia, whether they fully understood it at the time. Second, much of the rest of their party is now arguing that it’s really no big deal if the Russians manipulate American elections, so long as the GOP is the one that benefits.

And today we got the extraordinary spectacle of the president of the United States standing alongside the Russian dictator, saying he takes that dictator at his word and belittling the investigation into Russia’s attack on American democracy. Which led the former director of the CIA to tweet this:

Oh, and this happened yesterday:

A Russian woman with close ties to the National Rifle Association was arrested Sunday and charged with “conspiracy to act as an agent of a foreign government,” according to a criminal complaint unsealed Monday.

Mariia Butina is accused of acting as an unregistered agent on Russia’s behalf between 2015 and 2017, in collaboration with “others known and unknown, including an official of the Russian Federation,” according to the complaint.

Butina is a former assistant of Alexander Torshin, a top official at the Russian Central Bank who is reportedly under investigation by the FBI for channeling money to the NRA to benefit Trump’s 2016 campaign. The pair have been under scrutiny by journalists and investigators for months, thanks to aÂbombshell January report in McClatchy that first revealed the FBI’s financial probe.

Butina and Torshin have close ties to the NRA, which is not named in the criminal complaint or supporting affidavit but is referred to as a “Gun Rights Organization.”

David Ignatius wrote this yesterday:

In putting all the detail into the indictment, Mueller was giving Russian intelligence a hint of how much America can see. But this public disclosure may mask much deeper capabilities — perhaps a capacity to expose many more layers of GRU military-intelligence operations and those by the Russian civilian spy services, the FSB and the SVR. American intelligence agencies rarely tip their hand this way by disclosing so much in an indictment; clearly they did so here to send messages.

Explains one former CIA officer: “Given that we clearly had so much of the Russian internal communication and cyber footprints, they must be asking what else do we have? Do we have communications between the units and more senior officers in the GRU? With the General Staff? With the Kremlin? With Putin? Probably not the latter directly, but the Russians are very bureaucratic and it’s hard for me to imagine there is not a clear trail of higher level approvals, progress reports, etc.”

Friday’s indictment is a legal document. But it’s also a shot across the Kremlin’s bow. The message is: If you don’t stop cyber-operations against the United States, we have the detailed information to identify and disrupt your intelligence services, officers, sources and methods. Mueller isn’t asking Russia to stop; he’s warning them of the consequences of going forward.

A lot of people have been assuming that Trump pooh-poohs allegations of Russian interference in the election because he fears it makes his administration seem illegitimate. After today I don’t see how anyone can assume that Trump wasn’t just plain compromised all along. Today was a big, fat, public quid pro quo.

Back to Ignatius:

The indictment also sends a message to President Trump and members of his entourage who are potential targets of Mueller’s probe: Here’s a hint of what we know; how much are you willing to wager that we don’t know a lot more about Russian contacts and collusion? For example, the indictment is a proffer of Mueller’s information about contacts between GRU cut-out “Guccifer 2.0” and Roger Stone, Trump’s friend and adviser. What else does Mueller have? …

…And here’s a spooky final question: How much has the intelligence community told Trump about its operations against Russia? If you were one of the American intelligence officers who helped gather the information that’s included in Friday’s indictment, what would you think about the fact that Trump has asked for a private meeting first with Putin?

And, of course, we don’t know what Trump and Putin said to each other behind closed doors today.

See also Charles Pierce, The Crisis Is Upon Us.

Update: John McCain’s finest hour?

U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ), Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, released the following statement today on President Trump’s meeting and press conference with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki:

“Today’s press conference in Helsinki was one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory. The damage inflicted by President Trump’s naiveté, egotism, false equivalence, and sympathy for autocrats is difficult to calculate. But it is clear that the summit in Helsinki was a tragic mistake.

“President Trump proved not only unable, but unwilling to stand up to Putin. He and Putin seemed to be speaking from the same script as the president made a conscious choice to defend a tyrant against the fair questions of a free press, and to grant Putin an uncontested platform to spew propaganda and lies to the world.

“It is tempting to describe the press conference as a pathetic rout — as an illustration of the perils of under-preparation and inexperience. But these were not the errant tweets of a novice politician. These were the deliberate choices of a president who seems determined to realize his delusions of a warm relationship with Putin’s regime without any regard for the true nature of his rule, his violent disregard for the sovereignty of his neighbors, his complicity in the slaughter of the Syrian people, his violation of international treaties, and his assault on democratic institutions throughout the world.

“Coming close on the heels of President Trump’s bombastic and erratic conduct towards our closest friends and allies in Brussels and Britain, today’s press conference marks a recent low point in the history of the American Presidency. That the president was attended in Helsinki by a team of competent and patriotic advisors makes his blunders and capitulations all the more painful and inexplicable.

“No prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant. Not only did President Trump fail to speak the truth about an adversary; but speaking for America to the world, our president failed to defend all that makes us who we are–a republic of free people dedicated to the cause of liberty at home and abroad. American presidents must be the champions of that cause if it is to succeed. Americans are waiting and hoping for President Trump to embrace that sacred responsibility. One can only hope they are not waiting totally in vain.”

20 thoughts on “What About that Putin-Trump Presser, Eh?

  1. A.E. Housman:

    The Grizzly Bear is huge and wild;

    He has devoured the infant child.

    The infant child is not aware

    It has been eaten  by a bear.

  2. I watched the pressor, to me both tRump and Putin's responses to every question seemed to be lifted directly from the infowars and breitbart wing-nut comment pages. The servers, the emails, even that evil libtard overlord George Soros got a shout out! Unfucking believable!

  3. Where oh where is Vice President Waterboy???

    Since number one is obviously Putin's poodle, is Pence in a phone booth waiting to transform?

  4. Un-believable. Beyond reality.

    Canada is a threat to US national security and Russia is our best friend. 

    Evidence, history and facts be damned. 

    A Japanese general observed of the success of Pearl Harbor, "I fear we have wakened a sleeping tiger."

    When is this cat gonna wake up?

  5. Your average 4th grader would have looked stronger and more knowledgeable about geopolitics.

    I don’t read tea leaves; as with most Republicans, but in a way more extreme example here, it’s hard to say where exactly the stupid/corrupt boundary line is. But, what do you expect from a guy who bribed his doctor to pass him on mental fitness?

  6. so will he be impeached before the plane lands back? he should be. the performance he put on definitely breached his oath of office.

    but no one has the guts


  7. So Douche-hat supports Trump while declaring that he couldn't be a Russian agent because he's too stupid and indiscreet.

    The Stupid. It Burns.

  8. Oh, boy, oh boy, oh boy!

    I sure hope Paul Simon will write the music for the Broadway musical version of tRUMP's summit with Putin today.

    No one can write a harmoneous duet quite like Paul Simon.   

    tRUMP's character has to handle the high notes like Art  Garfunkel did.  After all, tRUMP himself has proven to the world that he IS Putin's castrati – and probably has been for years and years.   

  9. I'm trying to read into the dynamic.

    When Trump is pushed around he gets enraged and red in the face, blustering.  He isn't capable of hiding it.  That wasn't happening at the conference.  So is it possible that they sat together in the x number of hours they had alone and Putin just threatened him?  I doubt it. 

    Which means that he isn't being blackmailed in the way we conventionally think of it.  

    Instead, he thinks he's into something big with Putin, he's under the impression that Putin is as compromised as he, and they are partners who can trust one another.  

    The scary thing is wondering what the object might be.  Both of them are very rich and world leaders.  What the hell do they want?

  10. After today, there isn’t any more room for any benefit of the doubt: Trump is working against the US for the benefit of himself and Putin’s Russia.  I say “Putin’s Russia” to indicate Putin personally as there is little daylight between him and the Russian government, and Russian oligarchs, from whom Trump has derived significant financial benefit.  The question now is what will be done?  If this stands, the nation deserves to be owned by Putin. 


  11. After today, there isn’t any more room for any benefit of the doubt: Trump is working against the US for the benefit of himself and Putin’s Russia.  I say “Putin’s Russia” to indicate Putin personally as there is little daylight between him and the Russian government, and Russian oligarchs, from whom Trump has derived significant financial benefit.  The question now is what will be done?  If this stands, the nation deserves to be owned by Putin. 



  12. McCain has summarized every republican presidency I've witnessed, and possibly my own response too:

    "Totally in vain."

  13. Somewhat lost in the day's news is the arrest of Mariia Butina, charged with being a foreign agent, influencing the NRA. Josh Marshall at TPM read the criminal complaint against her, it's amazing. 

    At the end of a long Twitter DM discussion about the surprise results on election night 2016, Butina concludes: “I’m going to sleep. It’s 3 am here. I am ready for further orders.”

    Link: In Plain Sight – need a TPM Prime subscription ($5/month).

  14. Eric Schmidt –of course Putin did not threaten Trump. He flattered him. That always, always works, and every foreign leader hostile to the United States knows how to utilize that very basic fact in order to gain leverage. 

  15. How long can this circus go on?  Don't the clowns need some rest?  Trump is not "winning" what he wants to win which is the adoration and adulation of the whole world.  He is becoming more and more desperate.  At the same time, Putin has been able to convince him that they are friends and twin brothers of separate mothers.  So far Trump is holding it together to a certain extent but the time will come when he will lose it and he most likely will be dangerous to the U.S. and possibly the world.  Because he has delusions of grandeur and must maintain his messianic ideas, he is sinking further and further into the depths of his corrupted soul and must do anything to protect himself.  No matter what happens, I predict he will never resign but instead continue to blame others.  It's clear to me his ego is in control and since that is all he has, he will do whatever he needs to  preserve it.  The only saving grace for the rest of us is if nature intervenes and he falls apart physically in some way.

    Yesterday is the first time I heard that some people are calling his behavior treasonous.  If they truly believe that, they better do something about it.  Chaos cannot go on indefinitely, it always collapses and order returns but it is a dangerous situation.  Much better if it is controlled and the transition takes place peacefully.  This will not happen as long as Trump sits in the oval office or hangs out in his bed  tweeting and eating cheeseburgers.  



  16. Well, the 2nd worst president of my lifetime, was “Teflon” and managed to rack up two terms (I’m rating Raygun worse than Nixon). But The Gipper, at least, sounded reassuring and almost articulate in public and was more interested in covering his tracks. The Don is dumber than a brick and used to dominance by Family (“leave the gun, take the cannoli”) and it doesn’t occur to him to keep his yap shut or hire competent advisors or even competent counsel. That said, I gather Trump had “Fox and Friends” in a tizzy trying to rationalize his latest outrage. Maybe that means something. I don’t know. McCarthy was cruising along fine for a while, until he wasn’t. Should be a wild ride.

  17. Wasn't there an American magazine reporter wrestled out by Putin's thugs before the summit began?  (From 'The Nation," one of my favorite magazines EVER, no less!).

    Not a whole lot of info about him, what he had to say, and the consequences of his actions – at least on MSNBC.

    Let me check the blogs.

  18. “Wasn't there an American magazine reporter wrestled out by Putin's thugs before the summit began?”

    It wouldn’t surprise me. If I were a journalist covering Trump appearances, I’d bring along my own security and they would be more bad-asp than his.


  19. How long can this circus go on?  

     I don't know, but I certainly wouldn't be making a donation to the Trump 2020 campaign.

    I strongly suspect that Mueller's next round of indictments are going to deliver a death knell to Trump's presidency. I saw on Rachel Maddow's show last night where she is saying that the judge in Manafort's upcoming trial in Virginia granted a delay. The judge has a reputation for not dragging his heels when it comes to getting on with the show. She suggests that the delay might possibly indicate that Manafort has decided to roll over. Could be a case of seeing Jesus in the spaghetti, but considering the stakes that Manafort is dealing with, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he caves. And when you think about it, Manafort is the obvious link to connect Trump to collusion/conspiracy. He was at the Trump Tower meeting. Even though he was supposedly disinterested with what was going on and he was playing with his phone. I'm sure investigators know exactly what calls were made by him and to whom for the entire period before and after that meeting.

     Manafort's life hangs in the balance, and if cooperation with Mueller could make a way to reclaim a chance at freedom he'd be a fool not to grasp at it.

  20. Yes, Mr. Douthat, I'm sure Putin would have preferred to have a more intelligent asset to command, but he working with what he was handed.  Since Putin was also handed, for free apparently, a compliant Republican party, it's working out pretty well for him.

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