Messiest Election Ever

Here are a couple of photos of Trump and Laura Loomer that I understand were taken this week.

I pulled these from a Times of India article. Executive summary: Wink, nudge.

Marcy Wheeler writes that the Laura Loomer problem is the same as the Vladimir Putin problem.  Which is, basically, that Trump is so addled and so emotionally needy that he’s easier to manipulate than silly putty. It’s said people within Trump World are worried that Loomer has way too much influence over Trump at the moment. And that’s as much as I want to know.

The hysteria over Springfield, Ohio, continues. Schools and city administrative offices have had to be evacuated because of bomb threats. The mayor of springfield and governor of Ohio have both said there is no pet-eating going on. By all local accounts the Haitian community of Springfield has contributed a great deal. John Legend, a native of Springfield, issued this video:

Meanwhile, Donald Jr. said this:

Donald Trump Jr. suggested on Thursday that Haitian immigrants were less intelligent than people from other countries, and claimed that there was demographic evidence to back this up. He provided none.

“You look at Haiti, you look at the demographic makeup, you look at the average I.Q. — if you import the third world into your country, you’re going to become the third world,” Mr. Trump said in an interview with Charlie Kirk on Real America’s Voice, a conservative broadcasting network. “That’s just basic. It’s not racist. It’s just fact.”

I wonder how people in Ohio, not just Springfield, are dealing with this. We’re going to be lucky if no one is killed.

Reports at TPM and the Guardian say that the Haitians of Springfield were initially target by a Neo-Nazi group called Blood Tribe. J.D. Vance picked up the pet consumption rumors from the Nazis, and from there it spread to the Trump campaign. Let’s hope there’s a backlash.

Russell Moore, editor in chief of Christianity Today, tries to remind people that spreading false witness against anybody is sorta kinda not what Jesus would do. Moore, bless his heart, is a man who takes Christianity seriously. He must be very lonely.

We’ve got more than 50 more days of this? Help …


20 thoughts on “Messiest Election Ever

  1. "And that’s as much as I want to know"

    There is video of one of those pics you posted(blue dress), Stump is copping a pretty good feel. I'd wager they are sharing way more than just their hatred of brown folk. They make a cute couple don't they?

     

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  2. I don't care what they're doing, and neither should you. It's yet another distraction from the xian's slow-moving overthrow of the government and the End of America

    Everything is a distraction from Project 2025 …

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  3. "Moore, bless his heart, is a man who takes Christianity seriously. He must be very lonely."

    Yes, and this is a tough time for almost everyone.  Moore looks to bible quotes for guidance and that might work for a few.  You would think a larger understanding, a big picture over time and history might be in order with knowledge and consideration of how people managed other tough times or dark ages if you will.  For a time, Western Civilization barely managed to keep anything to read, much less the skills to read, write, or even make paper and ink.  But for the work of a relatively unknown few in history, he may have nothing at all to quote.  

    Our problem now is not lack of material to read or quote.  Moore might want to add to his library.  He needs to credit the few who valued what he now quotes for sure.  We have other material from many other cultures to consider also.  They help you develop a bigger picture.  

    Most all modern civilizations have learned much from science.  We now have telescopes that peer into formerly unknown parts of our universe and back in time.  Most all civilizations are aware humans came late to the universe, and did not live with the dinosaurs. We have more facts to work with than those who wrote and preserved the book he quotes.  We also have more misinformation.  As I recall. the book he quotes mentions false prophets.  They still exist.  Humanity has not changed.  The moneychangers still invade the temple.  We still have wolves clad as sheep.  The picture is just larger, and we have better tools.  

    I suppose even back then there were people who tried to force square pegs into round holes.  We all had problems with that at one time in our lives.  Now we know it is a skill almost all learn in human development at some level.  As the shape of the pegs and holes gets more complicated, though, humans do tend to try to force the misfits. 

    Not all can see or want to see the bigger picture.  For those that see, more things fit quite easily. 

     

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    • The bigger picture I saw was the abject hypocrisy of righties who call for "Christian nationalism" and don't know the Beatitudes from a toaster. Moore's essay was not about getting through tough times but about morality as taught by Jesus. As you probably know I'm not a Christian any more, but one of the tragedies of Christianity is that it has stubbornly shoved Jesus' moral teachings under the rug for lo these 2,000 years. If the day ever came when Christians took the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7) seriously, it would be revolutionary. 

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      • Yes, he will be lonely.  His moral message is aimed at but a narrow slice of Christians.  Now, it seems, most Christians rely on Christian intuition directly, not on references from the bible.  Verses, like the beatitudes, are for use on others, not for their guidance systems.  

        The nones generally seem to know more about one version or another of the Christian bible than the self-identified Christians do.  Those who claim Christianity do like to cherry-pick the teachings it seems. 

        I generally check that nones box.  Not that I lack much in indoctrination. 

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        • The nones generally seem to know more about one version or another of the Christian bible than the self-identified Christians do.

          I've heard that claim. That has not been my experience with either Christians or "nones" on the whole, however. 

          I am personally fond of the Sermon on the Mount and rarely find anyone, self-identified Christian or otherwise, who takes it that seriously. A shame. But that's basically what Moore is discussing, that all these self-identified Christians are ignoring Jesus' teachings. You may be closer to being on the same page as Moore than you want to admit. 

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          • I could be.  I messed up though.  The Gulog taught me how to spell better than what I did.  It should be spelled KKKristian intuition for some. 

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  4. I remember watching a debate with Hillary and Barack, thinking that this racist country will elect a black man before a woman.  Now I think trump is just the buffoon we all needed to be able accept a woman as a leader. 

    As far as I can see, it's all just showbiz, and Mr. "I'm a celebrity" is not very good at it.  Thank goodness some of us are quite competent.   

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  5. I remember watching a debate with Hillary and Barack, thinking that this racist country will elect a black man before a woman. 

    If it had been another Black man and another woman, the outcome may have been different. We'll never know. Race and gender aside, Obama was far and away the better choice, IMO. 

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  6. The barely covert racism is the constant theme with DJT. It began in public with the lie that Obama is from Kenya. It's not just that Trump was incorrect but Trump used the pulpit of his TV show that presented him as a credible and legitimate businessman, instead of the failing cheat he's been. Most people did not recognize that the TV show was as phony as Red Fox as Fred Sanford.

    IMO, a sizable chunk of the population has never broken with that "Apprentice" illusion despite a conviction in NY court that he's a cheat and articles backed up by evidence that shows he inherited hundreds of millions of dollars by fraud from daddy. (In violation of NY and federal tax  laws.)  The cult refuses to hear anything but the narative that he's business genius. 

    They live in a fact-free world and they are in denial of living in a fact-free world. Nothing can penetrate that bubble. 

    Haitians are black. If the fable had claimed Norwegian immigrants are killing cats, the story would have no traction. No news sources are calling this out for the rasicsm it is – it's not just that the story is false. It's designed to amplify distrust of people of color – stoking racial hatred is not a by-product. It's the whole purpose. I do not see why Harris does not go there and confront voters with the mechanism of dictators to divide a normally rational and compassionate people and make them willing to accept cruelty.

    Trump has declared the substance of the cruelty. He would deport the Hations as illegals, though they are legal residents of the US. Trump is not proposing to send them back to Haiti – he said he would send them to Venezuela. It looks like the Hatians in Springfield were targeted BEFORE the cat story broke by White Nationalists. In the absence of any pet remains, doesn't that ID the source of the rumor? The media is fact-checking the pet-killing as false but they are not hinting at the previous events that suggest who had motive and opportunity to start and spread the lie. 

    The election is so much about using implicit – just below the surface – racism to create a group to hate. People of color. And the solution Trump proposes is deportation. One class is Hispanic, to reduce the numbers of brown people in the US. But Trump identified (by implication) a second group he wants to deport (and he does not care where they go) – that's Black people. This radical action is designed to reverse the numeric certainty that Caucasians will become a minority in the US. 

    We’re voting in this election on a principle articulated by Jefferson. It's not ONE of the issues – it's everything to the cultists. 

    Are all men created equal?

    I believe a solid majority in this country are NOT racist. SO does Trump or his racism would be overt, not covert. But liberals are not calling the main issue of this election, being as subtle as Trump. That's just stupid.

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    • I'm going to take a wild guess that they would be very willing to label any dark-skinned person as "Haitian" just to simplify and expedite things, deport first and let them argue about it later, good luck with that. 

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  7. "I believe a solid majority in this country are NOT racist"

    I hope your right, I only know my experience. I grew up in Gary IN during the 60's-70's when the minority population exploded. Black folk came from the south in the 40's-50's-60's to work in the steel mills, when they started having families many white people moved to neighboring towns, "white flight". It is still that way today Gary is around 80% black and has little to no tax base, housing values have plummeted and US Steel stopped paying real taxes years ago (they built a minor league ballpark instead). The city is in disrepair and doesn't even have a real public school system. So most white people around here still blame the blacks for the state of Gary and are in fact quite racist, they just don’t see that their inability to coexist “white flight” is the real reason for Gary’s decline. These people love Stump. I know my situation is different than most, at least I sure hope so!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-C1oQHsetw

     

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  8. What I can't figure out about Loomer is where she got the $ to get where she is today. Read that she ran for Congress a couple times (failed) including from the district that contains MAL. She's clearly driven by power. Doubt if there's anything sexual between the two of them, he's too old and decrepit. Melania I'm sure is saying "have at it".

    Expect the ugliness – Springfield – to only intensify and spread to other points in MAGA world, as the cult's delusions are threatened. It's so weirdly appropriate that Springfield is Homer Simpson's hometown. I was struck by a statistic shown by Stephen Colbert (take w a grain of salt) that showed 37% of the public thought Trump won the debate – Colbert quipped that obviously this is the number of Americans who don't own televisions. More accurately, this is the number of folks who are completely lost in the hall of MAGA mirrors.

    Expect a season of violence then, not only against immigrants, but also on the part of state election officials, to deprive people of their vote. Expect a similar last gasp effort on the part of foreign actors to destabilize things. I expect civil unrest, fighting in the streets. Hold firm – we will prevail. These are all expressions of people at the ends of their ropes before they hit bottom.

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  9. A lot of good discussion on this.

    Here's something I've been thinking about today. A long long time ago, TFG made it clear that he doesn't care whether media coverage of him is positive or negative, he just wants constant coverage of HIM. I saw a clip of him today where he basically repeats the lie he told in the debate that led to the Springfield brouhaha. After it's been thoroughly debunked.

    He doesn't care.  He knows if he continues to tell the lie, the media will get pissed that he hasn't corrected the lie, so they will keep showing him "doubling down". This is how he won in 2016 (with a little help from his overseas friends). The media needs to stop taking the bait.

    What we all need to do is follow the demonstration the Kamala gave us in the debate. 1) Call out the lie, 2) Remind the audience of the good things about the Harris-Walz vision for our future, 3) State that TFG is unfit for the office.  And furthermore, do step 1 bluntly and succinctly (don't waste time going into the weeds). Do step 2 with clarity, and moral force (spend the most time on this step).  Do step 3 with brutal brevity and commitment that we are not going back to DJT time.  And we should all lobby with the media to do the same.

    A shorter version is this: Call out the lie and state the simple truth. Then refocus attention on the FACT that the Harris-Walz ticket is gaining support all over the place. Keep hammering this, that Harris is gaining and TFG is not. We're gaining support from soft Dems, soft Repubs, Independents, former members of TFG's own freakin' administration. From Latinx, from "black job" holders, from gun-owners, etc. etc. etc. 

    I understand we don't want to be overconfident to the point of not bothering to turn out the vote, but the thing that hurts TFG's campaign the most is being told every day that they are losing ground. TFG is terrified of losing (say hello to prison), and he knows very well that his hold on his base will weaken if he's seen as losing. This is a morale game.

    We have the momentum. We need to keep it. We need to increase it. And we need to keep rubbing his face in it. The more we stick it to him (BLUNTLY) the more erratic he will get. And at this point, getting more erratic won't help him gain any support. 

    Here's my plan: I'm going to go on social media and share how good I feel about the coalition we are building to take the country forward in a positive direction. And I'm going to email or text at least five of my friends the same thing, along with asking them if they want to "DO SOMETHING" (citation: Michelle Obama). And I'll invite them to share this with five of their friends.

    Let's not get distracted into a repetitive cycle of debunking TFG lies when we know he will never admit he lied. Let's celebrate what we have going.  This is the real deal.  The Harris-Walz express in to the future is en route.  Let's all join in the positivity. It feels so freaking good to know we are on track.  

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  10. I saw that JD Vance tried to justify his "they have dog-eating cooties!" by saying he had to raise the concerns of his constituents. 

    If it were possible to hang that around his neck, I would. "These people are here LAWFULLY – yet Vance refuses to consider them people living in Ohio, all of whom are his constituents, whether they can vote or not, and whether they are permanent residents or not. If they're not people – what does he think they *are*?"

    (How? What, did I even say it was *possible*? No, I said *if* it were possible,…"  yadda yadda.)

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