I’m not asking who was the best POTUS, mind you. Just which candidate for the office had the most impressive resume. He wouldn’t have had to be elected, even.
I ask because of this exchange on Facebook, which I repeat here word for word.
Some Guy: Have you been listening to the media know-nothing pundits and Hillary Clinton detractors critical of her foreign policy speech, denouncing her lecture as more of an attack on Con man Trump’s total lack of any qualifications to be President.
Well, Any sane person would know she is correct, Trump is not even fit to visit the White House much less live there.
Hillary was outstanding and proved without any doubt that she is indeed the best qualified person to ever seek the Presidency.
Me://the best qualified person to ever seek the Presidency.// EVER seek the Presidency? (No sir, no cult of personality here, sir.) Seriously, her qualifications beat Trump’s by several miles, although you could say the same thing about an order of french fries. But best qualified person EVER? Don’t you think that claim is a tad overboard?
Another Person: No – her education and experience make her the best qualified candidate in history. That’s resume – not personal, partisan opinion.
Some Guy: Barbara, Who would you say was better qualified than Hillary and why????
Me:Just as an example, there was another POTUS who was a U.S. senator from New York and who was re-elected, but then resigned before the second term ended to become governor of New York. He also served as Secretary of State, and achieved some notable diplomatic successes. He also served a term as Vice President of the United States before being elected President. I’d say that guy was qualified up the wazoo. And that guy was Martin van Buren, one of our more mediocre presidents.
Some Guy:Okay, So what was his record for service to the community before he went into public office, anything close to Hillary’s involvement.
Me: Having beat the socks off you in the resume department already — he was an attorney with an active law practice in his early career, and then worked his way up in local and state politics before running for the U.S. senate. He was a “surrogate” or probate court attorney, then New York State attorney general, then a New York state senator. Clinton’s resume can’t hold a candle to this guy’s. But they didn’t do “community service” in the early 19th century.
Another Person: how does a mediocre president beat a candidate was on the editorial board of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action?
Worked on Senator Walter Mondale’s subcommittee researching migrant labor?
Was a professor at the University of Arkansas School of Law?
Is a former civil litigation attorney?
Served as the director of the Legal Aid Clinic at the University of Arkansas School of Law?
Was the first female chair of the Legal Services Corporation which helps ensure everyone has equal access to justice under the law, despite inability afford it?
And first female partner at Rose Law Firm.
Co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families?
Was named twice as one of the hundred most influential lawyers in America by the National Law Journal?
(Btw – such an honor is rarely bestowed upon criminals or incompetents. Just sayin.)
That her entire career has been spent as a strong advocate for families and solid track record includes leading a task force that reformed Arkansas’s education system as First Lady of Arkansas?
That – as FLOTUS – she was instrumental in the creation of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, the Adoption and Safe Families Act, and the Foster Care Independence Act?
Or who – with her husband – has spent the years since she was FLOTUS – establishing the Clinton Foundation – a non profit whose mission is to help the poor and disadvantaged around the world realize their potential and build better lives.
They also work to improve global health, reduce preventable diseases, create economic opportunity and growth, help communities deal with the impact of climate change – and to increase opportunity for women and girls.
The Clinton Foundation is recognized and highly respected around the world and here in the US – even – grudgingly – by the GOTP -as a tireless and powerful advocate for the vulnerable.
It receives donations from
Bill and Melinda Gates
The Rockefeller Foundation
The Coca Cola Company
The Elton John Aids Foundation
The Kingdom of Norway
The Commonwealth of Australia
The Government of The Netherlands
The Government of Sweden
To name just a few…
Or who – as Secretary of State – has a solid track record in international relations and policy?
Played a key role in finding and taking down Bin Laden – and authored the agreement that brought the Iranians to the negotiating table for the deal that the entire P5+1 endorsed, along with most of the rest of the world?
Or who is respected and admired around the world – as this illustrates:
Don’t like her policies? Fine.
But anyone running around snarking about not trusting her, claiming she’s a RHINO – after 20+ years of being the target of relentless, hateful Republican bs – is either not paying attention or too dumb to vote.
Name ANYONE else – in EITHER party – with a resume even close to hers.
Take all the time you need.
Me: Pad it all you like — and most of that is padding, especially the stuff about the Clinton Foundation — but Martin Van Buren’s resume at the time he became POTUS was a hell of a lot more impressive than Clinton’s. And his record as Secretary of State is a lot better, I’d say. No coup in Honduras, no stupid intervention in Libya. He did some good stuff that helped folks gain peace and prosperity. I assume you can google and find that for yourself. However, the Yale Law Review didn’t exist until after he died, and like most attorneys of his time he became an attorney through self-study and apprenticeship. It was a different world.
And my point, of course, is that while Van Buren’s resume was outstanding, he was a very middle-of-the-road POTUS who served only one term. And that was just one guy I picked at random.
Some Guy: Barbara, You just cited his professional record, good, but was he opposed to slavery, did he reach out to women, children, the middle-class and the poor or was he just another white male President who ignored the great sin of slavery and just went along to get along. Now, to me, any one who turned his/her back on human slavery can do no good, but you have a right to your heroes.
Me: I already said he was a mediocre POTUS. And he’s no hero of mine. I am just pointing out that, on paper, his resume at the time he became POTUS was simply outstanding. Successful lawyer, state senator, state attorney general, state governor, U.S. senator, U.S. secretary of state (and a pretty good one), vice president of the United States. Those are just the high points; there are some other jobs/appointments he had here and there as well. His political views, some of which which I consider fairly awful, are beside the point. We’re just talking qualifications — as (Another Person) said, “That’s resume – not personal, partisan opinion.”
The fact is, if you take the time to go back and look a the details of his many offices held and what he did in them, van Buren really did have an astonishing record of accomplishments before becoming one of the most average presidents in U.S. history. (See his Wikipedia page)
Now, if you’re talking about a guy with a sterling background in doing charitable acitivism stuff, Herbert Hoover is your man. He was internationally known for his humanitarian relief efforts. A great many other presidents have had amazing records of accomplishment before they became POTUS, which is sorta kinda how you become POTUS. I’d have a hard time finding someone who was a total deadbeat and became POTUS, actually.
As I’ve said before, this is cult of personality stuff. It’s not “normal.”
But who else had a kick-ass resume before becoming POTUS that beats Clinton’s?
Update: Thinking about it, Abraham Lincoln’s resume wasn’t that great. He’d been a lawyer and U.S. Representative. He’d been a militia captain in the Black Hawk Wars and said later most of the action he saw involved swatting mosquitoes. He got noticed because of his debates and speeches more than anything else. The guy was a slacker.